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Windows 9: Much ado about little, given cloud shift

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I must be showing my age
    C'mon Mustang. You cannot be that old. I am still enjoying that stuff at 76.
    Hi whs! You got a genuine laugh out of me with that one! Hell I'm only a youngster at 74!

    @tepid:

    XP was never ever meant to last as long as it did, that was an huge MS screw-up
    It was only a screw up from M$ profit point of view.

    The point is, if it ain't broke don't fix it! My philosophy is to get as much mileage out of something as possible as long as it's fulfilling the need you have.

    In my youth ... back in the Jurassic age ... HA HA HA ... a friend bought a brand new VW Beetle. Two years down the track the auto rep came out to see him and told him it was time to think about upgrading to the latest and greatest. This was due to the increased maintenance and depreciation from age. And what the smart buyers did every two years.

    My friend replied that he intended to get his full money's worth out of it. The rep replied that he would have to keep it for 20 years to do that. And that's exactly what he did! It later became his wife's car for taking the kids to school. And he is now a multi-millionaire.

    So unless you just want new bells and whistles, ask yourself why M$ is worth $billions today?

    Aside from the slightly better kernel, and a few cosmetic improvements, where are the ground breaking improvements in W8 to justify the cost! And don't tell me Metro interface is the answer.

    I paid $149 at a retail computer store for a licenced copy of W8 with DVD. Then to get W8.1 it was necessary to download a 3GB update that could not be saved as an ISO image, but needed to be downloaded every time I wanted to do a clean install. Those who bought the original software as direct download from M$ @ $49 or thereabouts, got the free upgrade as a saveable downloaded burnable ISO image.

    So I bought W8.1 @ $175 from the same PC store. Since then, multiple huge upgrades of 2-3 GB.

    And what for? A system that still won't go onto the net with IE11 unless I manually type in a DNS address! And no start menu. No games. And the list goes on! I even bought Office 2013 and frankly consider it inferior in many respects to 2010, which I still have on my backup machine.

    No, I'm done with M$ after this OS. Unless they come out with a something radically better. Might just as well get Apple, of which M$ has become a poor imitation.
    Last edited by Mustang; 26 Aug 2014 at 02:22.

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  2. #42


    My father also got upset with W8. At first Metro looked nice to him, and he stil likes it... but too many things irk him constantly like not being able to install his favorite game from store, irritating behavior of the interface, impossible to log on as administrator or to know wether you have admin right or not at a certain moment and other technical difficulties which he didn't have before (very specific so won't go into details - his problem). I'm glad I decided to wait.
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    My father also got upset with W8. Too many things irk him, like irritating behavior of the interface ...
    Yep! Even when ADSL modem is fully connected, as evidenced by all lights green, and being able to access web using mobile phone connected thro WiFi ... IE11 will not connect if the modem is turned on after the PC has been booted up! It's necessary to re-boot the PC. Trivial but a constant annoyance.

    How many work arounds can you live with? And that's just one!
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  4. #44


    I am having w8.1 program,
    I cannot send any more outward mail to others via Windows Outlook/Hotmail.WHY
    I have asked many IT experts ,but no one can give W8.1 answers.
    W8.1is loaded on my new HPPavilion laptop
    From Harvey Norman in 4118
    Can someone guide or help me what to do?
    JP
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  5. #45


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    Hi there

    If ONLY managers would ensure stuff is TESTED properly before getting IT people to rush uncompleted stuff out of the door -- over the years I've seen far too much stuff released that had they just TRIED it on about THREE users before letting it out of the door major mistakes would have been avoided.

    Unfortunately those Managers moved on with HUGE Bonuses while the poor IT people who advised against early releases lost their jobs and now the situation is EVEN worse with most of the stuff being developed off shore in low wage economies like India / Manilla / Vietnam etc far away from their main users.

    Just look at Banks recently -- releasing untested software so people can't access their accounts or their money for in some cases WEEKS (yes it did happen -- Nat West Bank / Ulster Bank was one).

    Get back to BASICS, Do Market research, get some of the "Great Unwashed" to test the product and when it's OK tested and designed PROPERLY then release it -- a product that will be universally wanted.

    I'm already using Windows less and less -- I invariably now only run it on a Virtual Machine -- Ms Office with Outlook included (2010 - I don't really like 2013), CAD and Photoshop are basically the only things from keeping me drop Windows altogether - even my old SCANNER for which support was last available in XP works fine on Linux !! (XSANE package or KOOKA on KDE).

    Some Touch applications also are still better on Windows but that's changing too -- I'm sure the next releases of LM or OPENSUSE will include more of those.

    These days jumping ship to Linux is not such a bugbear - nearly everything works straight out of the box, you have decent plug and play so messing around with external devices doesn't require sophisticated Mount commands, NTFS can be read / written to and the systems are much less liable to "nasties". - Even software management has improved decently -- so Ms cannot take for granted any more that Windows is the only system around and people will continue using it whatever comes.

    Repairing Windows 8 to W8.1 was OK - but the whole install system needs to be re-jigged -- without an ISO it's a mess if you have to re-install again from scratch -- usually means installing W8 again - then applying all the updates, then upgrading to w8.1 and applying fixes again --WHAT A DOGS DINNER of a mess.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #46


    W8.1 is a scam , just robbing me of my sent mails
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Get back to BASICS, Do Market research, get some of the "Great Unwashed" to test the product and when it's OK tested and designed PROPERLY then release it -- a product that will be universally wanted.

    Repairing Windows 8 to W8.1 was OK - but the whole install system needs to be re-jigged -- without an ISO it's a mess if you have to re-install again from scratch -- usually means installing W8 again - then applying all the updates, then upgrading to w8.1 and applying fixes again --WHAT A DOGS DINNER of a mess.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Brilliant assessment Jimbo ... absolutely brilliant!

    The irony of it all is that I really don't want to see M$ go down. Despite their shortfalls, I've always liked the flexibility of Windows ... from W98 home, update to XP, stand alone XP Pro, Vista Ult, Win 7 Ult ... but W8? Ugh!

    Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but is there any chance they will redeem themselves with W9 ... or W10?
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  8. #48


    I dont like that, really
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  9. #49


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    Quote Originally Posted by midou35000 View Post
    I dont like that, really
    Neither do I like it ... ie: being stuffed around by the incompetence of M$!

    And paying good money ... TWICE ... for half-baked operating systems.
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  10. #50


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Neither do I like it either ... ie: being stuffed around by the incompetence of M$ and paying good money for half-baked operating systems.
    You see
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