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Munich, Germany: Linux was disaster, back to Windows

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    Not surprising as it's never the year of the Linux PC. That's what happens when you're a company that makes a lot of software (sometimes that plays nicely with each other) and target the enterprise effectively enough to become the mainstay of business. It's odd to think that in reality, almost everything you have, interact with, pay/buy with has probably come across Microsoft code. You can't take down an empire by not having a better equivalency. Everyone says you can use Ubuntu with OpenOffice and GIMP and Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird and be fine, says the 0.001% of the marketshare. There are alternatives, but they're all subpar.

    It doesn't help with Office 365 has enterprise licensing plans that are such a steal and it won't help things at all if they decide to release Windows 365 as well with similar plans. If Microsoft gets their poop in the group and simplify enterprise licensing plans and/or offer Windows+Office 365 together, the thinking of apple products or Linux distros probably will go to the wayside like vista in the workplace.

    Now if the enterprise and web developers would stop targeting old IE versions for company apps/sites, that would be great as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If Microsoft gets their poop in the group and simplify enterprise licensing plans and/or offer Windows+Office 365 together, the thinking of apple products or Linux distros probably will go to the wayside like vista in the workplace.
    Never underestimate the loyalty of a diehard Apple user. After getting my first Apple back in March of this year, I've grown quite fond of it. I can see why many people like them better, find them more intuitive and would simply just rather use them. As a lifelong windows user and Certified Systems Engineer, and a certified Linux systems engineer, I'm pretty damn happy with my MacBook Pro. < As our the other diehard Windows and Linux techies who I have worked with over the past 15 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If Microsoft gets their poop in the group and simplify enterprise licensing plans and/or offer Windows+Office 365 together, the thinking of apple products or Linux distros probably will go to the wayside like vista in the workplace.
    Never underestimate the loyalty of a diehard Apple user. After getting my first Apple back in March of this year, I've grown quite fond of it. I can see why many people like them better, find them more intuitive and would simply just rather use them. As a lifelong windows user and Certified Systems Engineer, and a certified Linux systems engineer, I'm pretty damn happy with my MacBook Pro. < As our the other diehard Windows and Linux techies who I have worked with over the past 15 years.
    I don't underestimate apple fans, there's a reason why they're stereotypically known to be more extremist about their loyalty than certain religious groups.

    Meh, I've used Linux and used mac os, I don't see one over the other and neither, to me at least, make me wish Windows had feature "x" from platform "a." It's more like platform "a" lacks feature "x" that's in Windows that I can't live without. For example, 50/50 window snap and resizable app snap. Using anything not Windows 7 and up feels like using xp, which by the way is what mac os feels like to me when I use it. I've grown up on Windows and will live and die with my Windows Phone in hand.

    Never underestimate the loyalty of a diehard Windows user.
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    Of course you wouldn't expect sau AUDI or CITROEN to say "It's the Year of the BMW" would you -- so those articles written in the "Pseudo Technical" press are about as useful as a Chocolate Teapot.

    Linux and Open source has some significant advantages - especially for small groups of users or single individuals -- but for a large "Public Service" corportation like a city council - I doubt it -- it has to interface with a lot of other COMMON software - probably Windows based, Staff probably need total re-training and maintaining a load of Linux boxes is by no means a trivial or cheap task - probably costs more than maintaining Windows boxes.

    @Count Mike -- Webmail is NOT an option in most businesses as an email client --even things like GMAIL would be frowned on. Apart from the performance of Webmail in general (and it's usually pretty hopeless due to the way it works) it doesn't work OFFLINE and people on work computers generally can't install their own choice of browser. Added to which the security risk is horrendous compared to mail using a works Exchange or similar server and proper email client program like Outlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    @Count Mike -- Webmail is NOT an option in most businesses as an email client --even things like GMAIL would be frowned on. Apart from the performance of Webmail in general (and it's usually pretty hopeless due to the way it works) it doesn't work OFFLINE and people on work computers generally can't install their own choice of browser. Added to which the security risk is horrendous compared to mail using a works Exchange or similar server and proper email client program like Outlook.

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    jimbo
    I was talking about my own use of webmail, I use it only for not too important stuff out of convenience only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    @Count Mike -- Webmail is NOT an option in most businesses as an email client --even things like GMAIL would be frowned on. Apart from the performance of Webmail in general (and it's usually pretty hopeless due to the way it works) it doesn't work OFFLINE and people on work computers generally can't install their own choice of browser. Added to which the security risk is horrendous compared to mail using a works Exchange or similar server and proper email client program like Outlook.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I was talking about my own use of webmail, I use it only for not too important stuff out of convenience only.
    Hi there

    That's fine - but the article was about the use of LINUX for a public service organisation (Munich City Council) which has a load of computers like any other large city council - and using PUBLIC web based services like email does pose horrendous security risks. I'm not sure what email client the City of Munich uses but I'll bet it's not liked at all compared with OUTLOOK - which while not a perfect email client I can't really say I've found (for me at least) a better one.

    KMAIL on KDE (Linux desktop - doesn't matter which distro - KDE is a common desktop GUI that works on all of them) is about the best Linux email client I've handled but again a lot of people don't run KDE desktops on their Linux boxes. KMAIL looks reasonably "Outlook" like and no problem with multiple accounts / servers / IMAP etc.

    I don't like Thunderbird or evolution - in fact IMO the best email client ever for individuals was probably OUTLOOK EXPRESS which disappeared with Windows XP --now if somebody could come up with a decent clone of that I WOULD use it.

    @pparks1 - Nothing wrong with Apple -- apart from a) it's expensive and b) everything is proprietary -- even the hardware connections like USB etc. (I believe they've made the hardware a bit more compatible now so you can hook up standard USB devices - but it took them a long time !!. - Also I don't like the Apple store or "ICHOONES" either). The Macbook though works fine - I wouldn't have trouble using it - I just wouldn't BUY one though.

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    @jimbo45. The Apple hardware is not really that expensive anymore. But you have to factor in exactly what you get. For many, they don't need that level of hardware, and unfortunately their isn't a budget Apple line. You cannot find a $500 brand new MacBook. However, a pc with as nice of a screen, with the same cpu and ram, with an SSD approaching the PCI Express speed from the MacBook, with mini display port, HDMI, USB3, with 8 hour battery life that can instantly come out of sleep and go to sleep, with a great touchpad and come in under 3.5lbs...And you will be right around the price of the Apple.

    Certainly wish they (Apple) were more servicable...but even ultrabook pcs are now getting less and less serviceable. And some more choices and customizations would be welcome, but they shoot more for consistency across their userbase.
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    I got a 10" Windows 8.1 with a quad core, SSD, HDMI, USB3, with 11hours battery life, great touchpad and 2lbs for $329. Who needs Apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I got a 10" Windows 8.1 with a quad core, SSD, HDMI, USB3, with 11hours battery life, great touchpad and 2lbs for $329. Who needs Apple.
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