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Munich, Germany: Linux was disaster, back to Windows

  1. #21


    The Germans are well known for their thoroughness - I doubt very much they would not have applied due diligence in the costing exercise.

    Either way it's quite evident this is politically motivated, thus further speculation is futile.

    In making these criticisms, Schmid is echoing issues raised by Mayor Dieter Reiter of the SPD party. Reiter complained of having to wait weeks for an external mail server to be set up just so that he could get mail on his smartphone, and he has criticized the open source software for lagging behind Microsoft's equivalents.
    These views aren't held universally, with the City Council defending the "LiMux" project and suggesting that the coalition administration is using the Linux migration as a scapegoat. The Council says the use of open source software has yielded savings of more than €10 million (more than $13 million).

    Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT services, seems to endorse this view. He says it's no surprise that a new platform should temporarily generate more support requests, and he wasn't aware of any particular complaints.

    Microsoft announced last year that it was moving its German headquarters to Munich. This move is planned to take place in 2016. While Reiter was involved in the deal that precipitated the move and describes himself as a "Microsoft fan," he says the criticism of LiMux is unrelated.
    Source: Linux-on-the-desktop pioneer Munich now considering a switch back to Windows | Ars Technica

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  2. #22


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there

    Politics and Jobs -- My experience in Germany is that they are usually very detailed - but people are incredibly specialized in ONE THING and don't want to get involved with anything else -- for example "I specialize in using bolts with ROUND heads -- if you want to use HEXAGONAL heads you have to see my colleague over there"!!.

    It's often in Europe (apart from UK which has more of a US type employment model) all about JOBS -- why use only ONE person when THREE can do it !! --I found this with my background from Iceland very frustrating at times since everybody back there has to be able to do several often unrelated tasks - we don't have the manpower to take the German model.

    It's a great place to work though in Germany and you get to use some of the best equipment available anywhere. France has even more of a "We need to create jobs whether there are positions for them or not".

    As far as Linux and email is concerned - I can well understand the problems - I use Linux regularly but still haven't found an email client that compares with the ease of use and decent connectivity of Ms OUTLOOK - especially with multiple accounts when working for several different clients at the same time.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    As far as Linux and email is concerned - I can well understand the problems - I use Linux regularly but still haven't found an email client that compares with the ease of use and decent connectivity of Ms OUTLOOK - especially with multiple accounts when working for several different clients at the same time.
    All of the email clients I've tried are awful.

    I used Outlook 2007 at my last job (it was awful).
    I use Thunderbird on my PC (it's awful too).

    I find it weird that they are so complicated to set up and use, when they only need to be able to display some text.
    Even Photoshop is easier to use (despite its horrible Adobe GUI).
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  4. #24


    Just some of the reasons I almost exclusively use webmail for all of accounts. Can download only what I want to, rest of it doesn't even reach my computer. Also safer way. Only for some mass mailing I use Outlook.
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    This is a big political game in Munich. The reason some people give is

    Grund sei, dass es in den vergangenen Jahren immer wieder Beschwerden von Nutzern gegeben habe,
    meaning that they had complaints especially about the user interface. Wait until these guys go to Windows 8. The city will come to a screeching halt.

    In order to understand this you have to know how a city administration works and what kind of people they employ - not the swiftest. When I was a system engineer in the 60s, I had to work with IT departments in goverment agencies. That was the low point of my carreer.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Just some of the reasons I almost exclusively use webmail for all of accounts. Can download only what I want to, rest of it doesn't even reach my computer. Also safer way. Only for some mass mailing I use Outlook.
    Hi there

    Webmail is usually an abomination --apart from the fact it's Ad sponsored it usually doesn't have any easy way of handling multiple accounts from different email servers -- try and connect to a webmail client when you are working for different clients -- say Iceland Weather service or UK DVLA - Dept of Motor vehicles and licensing of drivers etc). These types of organisations also aren't too happy either if you try and connect to them from the public web (excluding the "public service" parts of their remit).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Just some of the reasons I almost exclusively use webmail for all of accounts. Can download only what I want to, rest of it doesn't even reach my computer. Also safer way. Only for some mass mailing I use Outlook.
    Hi there

    Webmail is usually an abomination --apart from the fact it's Ad sponsored it usually doesn't have any easy way of handling multiple accounts from different email servers -- try and connect to a webmail client when you are working for different clients -- say Iceland Weather service or UK DVLA - Dept of Motor vehicles and licensing of drivers etc). These types of organisations also aren't too happy either if you try and connect to them from the public web (excluding the "public service" parts of their remit).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, I don't know about that, I have accounts with Gmail, Hotmail, Ymail and few other ones with my full name and everything else, I just work them from web browser, that's all. Every message has my IP that I sent message from, and messages could be sent to me thru those accounts. It's practically same as if I did it using any e-mail client except that I can choose what to download or what not to. I have contacted that way and had mail exchange with Canadian government many times and also for dealing with bank and other institutions. Those are absolutely same accounts as I would use thru any e-mail client. There's absolutely no difference. Same messages appear when I open them in Outlook or anywhere else. I'm permanently logged in Gmail and every time a message is received in that account I get notification about it. Nobody can even know if I'm sending or receiving a message using browser or Outlook.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there

    Another No No about webmail is that it requires a Browser and fairly unfettered Internet Access for it to work -- a security risk for a lot of organisations. Webmail clients too usually bypass any Work type of email server so monitoring and controlling attachments / spam / copyright issues of documents etc is almost impossible. Outlook itself does have a web interface but I know of nobody who uses that method any more these days.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #29


    I agree with Jimbo that webmail is an abomination. Just good for your trashbin mails. Webmail portals are slow, that's the worse thing about it. I like to get things within the millisecond. I can't stand waiting for the webpage and the 1Mb of javascript to download every time I want to check my e-mail and then wait another page download and another batch of javascript to be run for every e-mail I want to read. Being based on Javascript the interface is much slower than an off line, exe compiled client program like Outlook. + You can see your downloaded e-mails, compose e-mails, sort them etc off line. Half of my computer work is off line, I mean the modem turned off, and this include e-mail works.
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    I have gmail tab always open in FF and 'am signed in all the times so I get notifications about new messages as soon as they come, also using G-talk thru it. This account is used for keeping tab of new messages from few forums too. I use Outlook for other accounts too and it takes a while to download all the messages when I open it so webmail works much faster for me. Another account I use webmail to check on mail has no other option anyway because it's an old account, from 1997 and it's tied to one phone number since it was first used with dial-up modem and there's no other way to reach it without going to dial-up and paying fees for it. If I used Outlook only for mail I have to wait several minutes for it ti synchronize everything. This way it's all instantaneous.
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