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Windows 'Threshold' tech preview around late September

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Make no mistake that eventually the desktop app/portal will disappear.
    Desktop disappear...?? Did I read that right...???

    I should think that they have clearly learnt their lesson, and will NOT mess about with our desktop... at least not in our lifetime....
    Last edited by Rickkins; 20 Aug 2014 at 06:02. Reason: Uh, forgot a word....

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  2. #32


    Adelaide
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    1. Resources. Store apps use far less resources than Win32 apps. When not in use after a time they go into a hibernation mode. Win32 apps do not, therefore using resources that other apps could use. Not all people can afford big rigs that we see so many here have, nor would they want one. Same with businesses. Who needs all that power besides gamers and some scientists? Who needs i7 with 8GBs of RAM at a high cost? Certainly not the commoners or businesses.
    Thatís because they do less.

    Most PCs (even cheap "disposable" ones) come with more than enough resources to handle MS Office anyway.
    You only need lots of CPU and RAM for editing images, editing video and running VMs (and possibly games).

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    2. Safety. Walled garden systems are far safer, for we sit behind walls of accounts and servers.
    It is a "single point of failure".
    Hackers can potentially access everyoneís devices when they get in.

    Linux and Google repositroies have been interfered with and have even hosted malware.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    3. Apps working in conjunction via charms such as the Mail, People (contacts), Photos (pics), Calendar, Bing apps, and others. The OSasaurs don't know this for they really never learned the system, but the apps are much more efficient in transferring/sharing data than the desktop environment. Can I prove that? No. One has to learn it to understand that point.
    That contradicts your point about safety.

    I suspect a lot power users were appalled by the automatic Metro App data sharing (I know I face-palmed when I first read about it).
    Especially after MS claimed that gadgets like the CPU monitor were a security menace.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    4. Upgrading apps. Every time I upgraded to a new version of a Win32 app (including MS brand) I had to reconfigure all over again. Enter in personal data, configurations, etc. Not so with Store apps. I've watched Store apps upgrade for the last two years and never have to do a thing.
    I'd say that mostly applies to MS products ("our customers are all thieving scum").

    Most of the software I use remembers the settings I've applied.
    I have software that was apparently written for XP, which can't save its settings due to the lock out on the Programs folders.

    OTOH, I've been tripped up by VLC's saved settings.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    6. When I install an app, whether bought or free, it stays mine and tags along in my MS account. I pay one price and use it on as many devices I want.
    "Don't install Chrome and let Google monitor your activities. Allow us to do it for you instead with Metro Apps."

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    This cuts down on piracy. Every company has a right to protect their products.
    Limited functionality cuts down on piracy.
    Why would someone pirate Paint, when they could pirate Photoshop instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    MS didn't start software stores > The other two did. They're just following suit. It's no different than a company that places armed guards around a warehouse. And yes, they make money off the apps, probably to offset the overhead of the Store. There's costs of labor and equipment.
    Apple and Google did it specifically to gouge consumers.
    It's like DLC for games.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post
    @Burgurne, agreed that my comment does relate to all apps, what would it take to make you use metro apps if they ran on the desktop, if we had for example metro word and desktop word, both had the same features and run in a window, what would ms need to do so that you used the metro version of word instead of the desktop program
    Just imagine how awful a Metro version of Adobe Premier Pro would be (the desktop version is horrible enough).
    OTOH, if you could daisy chain several tablets together then the Metro version would be easier to use than the desktop version.

    If Metro Word was identical to Real Word, phones/tablets would need to come with an "i7 with 8GBs of RAM".
    That would defeat one of the claimed benefits of using Metro Apps (e.g. they use less resources).

    OTOH, if Metro Word was identical to Real Word and yet was smaller and used less resources, that would tend to indicate that MS was part of a cartel (with hardware makers) whose aim is to force users to buy higher spec equipment.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    3. Apps working in conjunction via charms such as the Mail, People (contacts), Photos (pics), Calendar, Bing apps, and others. The OSasaurs don't know this for they really never learned the system, but the apps are much more efficient in transferring/sharing data than the desktop environment. Can I prove that? No. One has to learn it to understand that point.
    Damn, I had really thought that we'd moved past such nonsense.
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  4. #34


    Denmark
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    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post

    @Burgurne, agreed that my comment does relate to all apps, what would it take to make you use metro apps if they ran on the desktop, if we had for example metro word and desktop word, both had the same features and run in a window, what would ms need to do so that you used the metro version of word instead of the desktop program

    metro apps on the desktop is something I am not sure on yet, so interested in hearing others thoughts on why they would/would not use them
    I don't want to use metroapps, not even in a window, as I do really see no point in learning to use new programs that can has less features than the programs I allready know. If the Metro add something new _usefull_ features, then I would start to learn.
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  5. #35


    I hope we get a "Windows 7 Mode" installed on my powerful desktop machines and I never have to see any of the "Metro nonsense again". For netbooks, tablets a "metro mode" so I never have to look at that desktop nonsense. For laptops you get to choose. This is the OS that will have options to choose what to install and what to disable. If not Windows 7 will go on and on.......
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  6. #36


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post
    Allow metro apps to run full screen as they do now
    The ability to keep the start screen as it is now

    keep these options and I will be happy
    I agree, except the need to allow apps to multi-window. I don't think they'll window on the desktop as Mary Jo forecasts. I think they'll window on what I will call the new "Modern/Metro Desktop environment" as we really have now. They introduced the three sizes of tiles. Snapping might be something like that. Open an app and snap it both vertically as it does now and an added feature of then snapping horizontally, so therefore windowing. The amount of windows will be determined by the screen or monitor size.
    Snapping is no good for me and I imagine many other people. I've yet to see anything that's as efficient as resizeable overlapping windows for some jobs.

    If Microsoft don't allow overlapping Metro windows in Windows 9, it will be another nail in the coffin of Windows Store apps.

    PS. I like OneNote as well, and also sync it with my phone, but the (also free) Desktop OneNote 2013 is better than the Metro version.
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  7. #37


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Make no mistake that eventually the desktop app/portal will disappear.
    Desktop disappear...?? Did I read that right...???

    I should think that they have clearly learnt their lesson, and will NOT mess about with our desktop... at least not in our lifetime....
    Yes, you read it right. I think the legacy Win32 desktop UI will eventually not be included in MS Windows OSs. There's a new UI screen to replace that. It's the Modern/Metro desktop environment. That's the screen where Modern/Metro Store apps run. Thatís what the Modern/Metro Office will run on when released and a lot more production software when released, therefore, no need for the legacy Win32 desktop UI.

    "Our desktop"? Excuse me, but perhaps you're not understanding the UELA. You/We do not own the software/OS that contains the legacy Win32 desktop UI. We purchase a license to use the software. MS at any time may omit the legacy Win32 desktop UI within future editions, even on existing OSs via an update if you choose to download and install such an update, for in the UELA you/we agree to that also. I don't think they'll do that, but the way I read it it is legally possible.

    On the other hand, I would think that you as a Canadian citizen (assuming you are one) have every right not to install such an update and/or purchase a license for any future OS that excludes any item, configuration settings, UI, features, or what have you that you may enjoy to use.

    You can hold on to and run any OS for a lifetime. The UELAs last a lifetime so far as I can see. Iím sure there are some that continue to run DOS. The only drawback is that they eventually aren't supported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    3. Apps working in conjunction via charms such as the Mail, People (contacts), Photos (pics), Calendar, Bing apps, and others. The OSasaurs don't know this for they really never learned the system, but the apps are much more efficient in transferring/sharing data than the desktop environment. Can I prove that? No. One has to learn it to understand that point.
    Damn, I had really thought that we'd moved past such nonsense.
    Are you saying that my observations, opinion, my term of OSosaurus, and/or one or all is nonsense? It is my observation and opinion that the overall system is in indeed quicker to use. Letís start here where not one h8er seems to want to comment on: The Real Quality Boot Time of 8 Verses 7

    Perhaps I should explain the term OSosaurus. It is a name I tag on those that I feel (by means of observing) that I think didn't/don't give 8.x a fair chance to learn it and using the Store apps daily for at least a three month period to grasp what the overall system can do. They install 3rd party software to make it to look and work much like prior OSs as much as possible while enjoying the "under the hood" features that 8.x offers. Of course anyone has the right to do so. To each their own.

    Perhaps I should use Sevenosaurus Rex, Vistaosaurus Rex, or Xposaurus Rex to be more specific? How about Megaiwillnotchangeodon? PriorOSodon? XPatops?

    Another observation Iíve made with these species is that they attack in groups. Itís an efficient means of survival. Theyíll be around for a while, but I think will eventually become extinct.
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  8. #38


    I can't see M$ going desktop-less any time soon. That would mean instant death to billions of programs and applications, that's a base nobody can ignore. Unless they pull the old switcharoo like with DOS and make desktop as a subset to Metro.
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  9. #39


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Eventually I think you will see no distinction between the two. Desktop Program or Metro App, they will both look the same on the screen.
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  10. #40


    It's not too important what they look like as long as they work like they used to. Of course they might go way of 16 bit programs or Dodo which ever comes first but can't see that happening soon.
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