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Windows 'Threshold' tech preview around late September

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post
    Allow metro apps to run full screen as they do now
    The ability to keep the start screen as it is now

    keep these options and I will be happy
    I agree, except the need to allow apps to multi-window. I don't think they'll window on the desktop as Mary Jo forecasts. I think they'll window on what I will call the new "Modern/Metro Desktop environment" as we really have now. They introduced the three sizes of tiles. Snapping might be something like that. Open an app and snap it both vertically as it does now and an added feature of then snapping horizontally, so therefore windowing. The amount of windows will be determined by the screen or monitor size.

    Make no mistake that eventually the desktop app/portal will disappear. Office will be released soon in Modern/Metro, which is a huge seller for them. They already released OneNote in Modern/Metro, of which I totally use now. It can be found in the Store. The radial menus is a great feature in that. OneNote Help

    Other production apps will follow eventually.

    A platform of OSs to run across multiple devices for a similar, familiar experience, including desktop PCs. That seems to be their goal. I think that's what they'll pursue.



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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Make no mistake that eventually the desktop app/portal will disappear. Office will be released soon in Modern/Metro, which is a huge seller for them. They already released OneNote in Modern/Metro, of which I totally use now. It can be found in the Store. The radial menus is a great feature in that. OneNote Help
    I don't use OneNote a great deal, but I do agree that this is a very good metro app

    If we assume that apps will run in a resizable window on the desktop in windows 9 (as we have seen rumours of)

    What advantage from a users point of view would there be between using the metro onenote or the original onenote program

    This is what I am struggling to get my head around, why use a metro app instead of a desktop program if both run on the desktop

    Cheers

    ps, unrelated but just noticed, how did I become a power user?
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  3. #23


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    @ paulsalter:" ps, unrelated but just noticed, how did I become a power user?" Read this
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  4. #24


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    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Nuccii View Post
    @ paulsalter:" ps, unrelated but just noticed, how did I become a power user?" Read this
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post

    If we assume that apps will run in a resizable window on the desktop in windows 9 (as we have seen rumours of)

    What advantage from a users point of view would there be between using the metro onenote or the original onenote program

    This is what I am struggling to get my head around, why use a metro app instead of a desktop program if both run on the desktop

    Cheers
    That goes for every app I have seen. Why use an app on the desktop, when a "normal" prgram can do the same (or more)?
    For me Windows 9 will be a winner if Metro is absolutely gone from my PC (i.e. maybe disabled uder install, or disabled after install), a little more eyecandy like windows 7, tweakable as windows 7 and the speed from windows 8
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  6. #26


    Congratulations on the Power User badge, paulsalter.

    I use OneNote on my 8.1 Lumia 1520 and 8.1 tower a lot. It syncs. I may start a post waiting for my dentist appointment and finish it on my tower when I get home. Could I configure apps and cloud to do that with a Android and my tower? Sure, but I'm easing up time for other things, it's free via MS, and less chance of it breaking. The commoners and businesses will go for it too as I'll explain below. Here is a snip of OneNote with the radial menu I wanted to post before.

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    Like I stated, the Store apps won't run on the Win32 desktop. There's a new one in town called the Modern/Metro Desktop environment. Mine here is green > My theme color. The Win32 desktop app/portal is open and in the App Switcher.

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    Reasons to use:

    1. Resources. Store apps use far less resources than Win32 apps. When not in use after a time they go into a hibernation mode. Win32 apps do not, therefore using resources that other apps could use. Not all people can afford big rigs that we see so many here have, nor would they want one. Same with businesses. Who needs all that power besides gamers and some scientists? Who needs i7 with 8GBs of RAM at a high cost? Certainly not the commoners or businesses.

    How about a business running 50, 100, 500, 1K of workstations? Savings on costs of computers, electricity, and IT. It's not just the UI MS is introducing. It's a platform of OSs that are far easier and less costly to manage.

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    2. Safety. Walled garden systems are far safer, for we sit behind walls of accounts and servers. Just one example: Windows Phone 8.1, the smartphone of choice for business

    3. Apps working in conjunction via charms such as the Mail, People (contacts), Photos (pics), Calendar, Bing apps, and others. The OSasaurs don't know this for they really never learned the system, but the apps are much more efficient in transferring/sharing data than the desktop environment. Can I prove that? No. One has to learn it to understand that point.

    4. Upgrading apps. Every time I upgraded to a new version of a Win32 app (including MS brand) I had to reconfigure all over again. Enter in personal data, configurations, etc. Not so with Store apps. I've watched Store apps upgrade for the last two years and never have to do a thing.

    This doesn't have to do with apps, but with services > Even upgrading from 8 to 8.1, apps followed along. Start Screen and Store apps exactly the same. Again, not so with legacy apps. How easy is this for the commoners and businesses? I remember having to hard reset my Droid X2. Sure, contacts and calendar were backed up via a Google account, but that was it. I spent hours getting it back to where it was. And then, how about when I by a new Android device? Do it all over again. Not so with my WP8. Upgraded to 8.1 without much trouble. Again, Start Screen and apps exactly the same. I had to uninstall and reinstall 2 apps because the live tiles wouldn't refresh. If I need to buy a new phone, it will all tag along.

    5. Side loading of line of business (LOB) apps: Sideloading Windows 8 Store AppsWindows for IT Pros

    6. When I install an app, whether bought or free, it stays mine and tags along in my MS account. I pay one price and use it on as many devices I want. This cuts down on piracy. Every company has a right to protect their products. MS didn't start software stores > The other two did. They're just following suit. It's no different than a company that places armed guards around a warehouse. And yes, they make money off the apps, probably to offset the overhead of the Store. There's costs of labor and equipment.

    7. Last, but not least > With Store apps come live tiles: The Real Quality Boot Time of 8 Verses 7

    I ask you > Why would I want to use Win32 legacy apps when I get all that?

    Here's me saying goodbye to my legacy desktop app/portal when finished with it. Hold WinKey > Press and release period key > Then press down arrow key. Bye bye.

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  7. #27


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    Hate the charms bar .. it never works well on my computer at all and I never use it now. I hope they just make it an option. I hope Windows 9 does not suck.
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  8. #28


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    Windows 8.1


    @HippsieGypsie, thanks for the congratulations and the details on app usage, i agree with your comments and do like to use some of the apps, sitting here at the moment using metro IE and xbox video pinned to the side watching some tv shows, I know the same can be done on the desktop, but I like the experience of no interruptions and just having on the screen what I am doing

    @Burgurne, agreed that my comment does relate to all apps, what would it take to make you use metro apps if they ran on the desktop, if we had for example metro word and desktop word, both had the same features and run in a window, what would ms need to do so that you used the metro version of word instead of the desktop program

    metro apps on the desktop is something I am not sure on yet, so interested in hearing others thoughts on why they would/would not use them
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  9. #29


    That would be just fine if:
    1.There was a plethora of good APPs, I couldn't find any I would use instead of desktop program for same thing. Even Skype App has more problems than desktop one. Microsoft Apps are only ones I would consider for now.
    2. APPs would have to be able to run in windowed environment, many times I have to open 5 -6 or more windows at a time across 2 monitors, no use for a calculator on half a page, When trying to run spreadsheet for instance and start an metro app everything gets moved to a side and than I have to chase place I was at. APPs (as they are now) don't seem to be well suited for multitasking.
    3. Live tiles do not have to be actually tiles, many programs can do same thing. There were live desktop Gadgets before any Live tiles that could do same thing.
    I would not argue about Charms bar, if they put something better OK, if not I can live with it, it could be put to good use and an alternative way of doing some things. The only beef I have is with Devices in Charms bar, it should be same as Devices and Printers in Control panel and usable from desktop too instead of in APPs only.
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  10. #30


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    If the App displays the same information and is easier to setup why bother messing with the desktop equivalent. The two apps I use run just fine as Apps and there is no real advantage to running the desktop equivalent. Slacker radio and the Weather App. I'm sure there are others. If your running Windows RT you don't have a choice. Also, if your on a tablet, the Apps will often better support a touch screen. Oh, and desktop programs do not have live tiles. Some of us actually like that feature.
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