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MS puts a hard block on MSE because it is incompatible with Win8 CP.

  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    From what I initially saw with the DP not CP the av used here went right on. Sometimes it will take repeat attempts to get something to go on but it will. Perhaps why many apps will end up seeing the incompatible due to stubborn installation issues while still being able to work well.

    But what everyone has now is still "beta"! And as you know all betas have their own bugs to work out!
    True, true. All these problems all over with all these 3rd party fails - that is the reason MS made Defender much better for 8 beta.

    They've learned their lessons the hard way with 7 beta and all the complaints that made it look like the 7 beta was bad, when it was not.

    End result for 7: "Why my pc crash and do this or that? MS stinks." MS reply: "No it is your 3rd party security."

    End result for 8: "My pc does not crash because I use the Windows Defender as my antivirus."

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    Ms had to make improvements with the Defender no doubt there! When that first came out it couldn't even find a tracking cookie let alone any trojan dropper!

    Something new certainly flagged a bad file still hanging around on a storage drive. And the only previous time I saw any protection spring to life when not even clicking on a file but simply opening up the folder it was in is the av program used here. That shows improvement in the malicious code detection or even if it had been a false positive a better detection process.
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  3. #93


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Ms had to make improvements with the Defender no doubt there! When that first came out it couldn't even find a tracking cookie let alone any trojan dropper!

    Something new certainly flagged a bad file still hanging around on a storage drive. And the only previous time I saw any protection spring to life when not even clicking on a file but simply opening up the folder it was in is the av program used here. That shows improvement in the malicious code detection or even if it had been a false positive a better detection process.
    Hello,
    Just an update on those who might have been following the posts on getting W8's WD to run stand alone with real protection off. After a catastrophic failure that the Macrium System Restore Image couldn't cure, I am finally reinstalled. To my surprise, when I installed NIS this time it did turn of windows firewall and windows defender.
    It had previously caused both states to occurr on seperate occasions. I may still attempt to get WD running, but I am now concerned about my fail-safe system image restore being fail-safe!!!
    L8tr
    Glenn
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    The one thing I will say about Macruim is good luck! I gave that one a look back in 2009 for 7 and had then made an image backup of the Vista installation while still on at the time when drives were being added in, switched around, etc. during the changeover from beta to RC and so forth.

    Once the drive letter changed for the drive the image was stored on the image became USELESS! All it kept saying was invalid. For the MS backup feature or Acronis(free version from drive manufacturer or retail Disk Director suite) on the other hand the drives can be swapped around as well as backups actually copied over to another drive and will still be available to restore the OS drive!

    I still have to give the backup feature in 8 a go but may end up again waiting for the RC release over the beta to evaluate the reliability factor. No beta bugs there!
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  5. #95


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The one thing I will say about Macruim is good luck! I gave that one a look back in 2009 for 7 and had then made an image backup of the Vista installation while still on at the time when drives were being added in, switched around, etc. during the changeover from beta to RC and so forth.

    Once the drive letter changed for the drive the image was stored on the image became USELESS! All it kept saying was invalid. For the MS backup feature or Acronis(free version from drive manufacturer or retail Disk Director suite) on the other hand the drives can be swapped around as well as backups actually copied over to another drive and will still be available to restore the OS drive!

    I still have to give the backup feature in 8 a go but may end up again waiting for the RC release over the beta to evaluate the reliability factor. No beta bugs there!
    Funny story, for some reason I never got figured up, my W7 machine keeps swapping the drive letters in image software. So Windows 7 backup did the same thing when the drives changed, couldn't restore. In Macrium you can pick which drive to image and where to put it, so I just got used to it and Paragon. Never had a problem with it in W7, and in the beginning of using W7, I did a lot of system image restores. Windows restores and repairs never worked correctly for me. So I came to rely on knowing I can absolutely get back to a workable full system. I also used the W8 called Windows 7 backup in the control panel and it too failed. Glad I am only playing on W8. But with all the changes to the Metro page and the other stuff, it took a full day to get everything reinstalled. I found out that using the Windows 7 Restore in W8 kills off the History backup scheme. Or should I say it did this install..... Some days the bear gets you!
    Glenn
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    I've been using Macrium free for a long time and I re-image my test systems, sometimes, several times a day and I've never had any issues with it, which is more than can be said for some other well known imaging utilities. Although I've used it a number of times with Windows 8, I haven't been rigorous with the testing, however it is supposed to be fully compatible - Release Notes
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  7. #97


    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    I've been using Macrium free for a long time and I re-image my test systems, sometimes, several times a day and I've never had any issues with it, which is more than can be said for some other well known imaging utilities. Although I've used it a number of times with Windows 8, I haven't been rigorous with the testing, however it is supposed to be fully compatible - Release Notes
    Howdy Calico,
    Glad to get a positive reply about it. I have relied on it for many years. But again especially with a test operating system, I could break a boulder with my innate talents
    Glenn
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    That's the "beta bugs" for you! As for the Backup & Restore feature in 7 besides being what is already available for use with the 8 CP still being a beta the 7 backup feature was extensively looked over and found reliable. That's one thing MS got right from the start with 7!

    The flexibility there as well as the paid for programs like Acronis is being to browse while booted live from disk to select an image found on any drive as long as the image itself is intact. I suspect once 8 is retail the backup features should work just as well if not something new but simply renamed for 8.

    The advantages as well as some disadvantages however were revealed as well.

    Disadvantage: If you inadvertently restore an image to a second drive made with the Windows option and decided to add a new boot entry in for it on the host drive in order to keep a second already restored Windows available don't bother! Instead be prepared to restore the host drive afterwards since it will no longer boot into the Windows install there!

    For the CP I won't even worred about backing it up at this point since I was about to see another clean install. Only this time the existing partitions will be removed entirely rather then the fast reformat initially seen to see how well the 8 drive tools will work as well as whether or not the 100mb system reserved partition for BCD store, boot files is being seen with 8.

    I simply tossed the CP on after cleaning off the DP! and didn't nuke the drive fully as usual. But betas get nuked faster anyways!
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