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How long before Microsoft Windows XP disappears?

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by eatup View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatup View Post

    Fast boot is a gimmick. On the same machine, XP is consiferably faster than 7/8.1 after the system boots up!
    My personal experience has been just the opposite. Windows 7 ran smother and faster than XP did on my PC's. Even Windows 2000 ran faster on the same hardware. YMMV
    By faster, do you mean they "feel" faster, or did you actually do pseudo-scientific tests like measure the fps on games that ran on all 3 OSes? And if so, will you share with us the results?
    Games that run on all 3 systems are not real measure of OS "speed", they (for XP) are made for lower HW requirements, different drivers and DirectX or OpenGL, some actually run slower even on much higher performance computers because of that. Games also have caps on speed independent of HW, otherwise they would be uncontrollable at higher performance computers. So games are not really good benchmark for OS comparison.

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  2. #12


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
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    Hi there

    In the "Real" world of computing - Games are essentially a relatively small subset -- it's not a trivial INDUSTRY though - it generates a LOT of money world wide. Gamers are often tweaking around with their hardware, experimenting with specialized GPU's etc and often "Roll their own" when it comes to the actual hardware.

    Things like XP and W7 -- perhaps not so much W8/8.1 (yet) are geared to businesses running PC's essentially on LANS where they often connect to servers running corporate applications or aimed at ordinary consumers where average hardware will run most of their applications quire satisfactory.

    For what the OS was primarily designed for it has (and continues) to perform spectacularly well.

    (Some older Porsches used essentially VW beetle engines highly modified -- you can consider some gaming machines like the porsche running with a highly modified VW beetle engine ).

    Ideally gaming perhaps should have it's own type of OS - but some of these gaming machines are used for ordinary purposes too (a Porsche can be driven on a local street to get your shopping).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #13


    Posts : 77
    Win 8.1 Pro x64


    I still have an old desktop from 2001 with Windows XP Pro installed around 2002. It would still be useful if I could add much more than the maximum allowed 512MB of ram on the motherboard. It runs so slow with today's newer programs. The Pagefile gets a real workout.
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    In the "Real" world of computing - Games are essentially a relatively small subset -- it's not a trivial INDUSTRY though - it generates a LOT of money world wide. Gamers are often tweaking around with their hardware, experimenting with specialized GPU's etc and often "Roll their own" when it comes to the actual hardware.

    Things like XP and W7 -- perhaps not so much W8/8.1 (yet) are geared to businesses running PC's essentially on LANS where they often connect to servers running corporate applications or aimed at ordinary consumers where average hardware will run most of their applications quire satisfactory.

    For what the OS was primarily designed for it has (and continues) to perform spectacularly well.

    (Some older Porsches used essentially VW beetle engines highly modified -- you can consider some gaming machines like the porsche running with a highly modified VW beetle engine ).

    Ideally gaming perhaps should have it's own type of OS - but some of these gaming machines are used for ordinary purposes too (a Porsche can be driven on a local street to get your shopping).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yes, with that analogy "Gaming computers" would be "Hot rods" in automotive industry. Fun but note really useful.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by eatup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eatup View Post

    Fast boot is a gimmick. On the same machine, XP is consiferably faster than 7/8.1 after the system boots up!
    My personal experience has been just the opposite. Windows 7 ran smother and faster than XP did on my PC's. Even Windows 2000 ran faster on the same hardware. YMMV
    By faster, do you mean they "feel" faster, or did you actually do pseudo-scientific tests like measure the fps on games that ran on all 3 OSes? And if so, will you share with us the results?
    I could say the same to you? Even if I did bench mark it, why would I save it all this time? If you think XP was faster then fine, I don't.
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eatup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post

    My personal experience has been just the opposite. Windows 7 ran smother and faster than XP did on my PC's. Even Windows 2000 ran faster on the same hardware. YMMV
    By faster, do you mean they "feel" faster, or did you actually do pseudo-scientific tests like measure the fps on games that ran on all 3 OSes? And if so, will you share with us the results?
    Games that run on all 3 systems are not real measure of OS "speed", they (for XP) are made for lower HW requirements, different drivers and DirectX or OpenGL, some actually run slower even on much higher performance computers because of that. Games also have caps on speed independent of HW, otherwise they would be uncontrollable at higher performance computers. So games are not really good benchmark for OS comparison.
    I only suggested games as a benchmarking tool. The common man does not know how to write code. The more accurate test would be to write codes for a stress test app. Have the app target .NET 3.5 in XP, .NET 4.0 in 7, and .NET 4.5 in 8. Those are the .NET versions optimized for that particular OS! It's the same code targeted at diff .NET vers. Build it, run it, then see the results for yourselves...
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  7. #17


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    64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro


    I still have an ancient XP 166Mhz Pentium that I will never get rid of it...It really saved my arse last year, when My house was burglarized... That erned that ancient Pentium an eternal reprieve!
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  8. #18


    I already made an argument against using such games as a benchmark for reasons above. Problem with XP is that it can not use HW resources, specially memory and SSDs as efficiently as Win8. Part of Win8 performance is that it uses more RAM for it's processes without digging thru storage which is many times slower. There are much less quality drivers for new hardware so efficiency suffers from that. I haven't benchmarked XP on this same computer (which itself is not some modern marvel) but did with Win7 and Win8 was slightly better.
    Once upon a time, there was a benchmarking program that used installed Office files for benchmarking but can't remember it now, It would be nice if someone wrote it to work on newer systems, although a moot point because of XP's lack of support and virtual is now obsolete in many other ways including new programs that can take it's advantage points into account.
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by Tews View Post
    I still have an ancient XP 166Mhz Pentium that I will never get rid of it...It really saved my arse last year, when My house was burglarized... That erned that ancient Pentium an eternal reprieve!
    I know of a 386-SX 16 running as a controller for a saw mill (I built it to replace old one), using DOS and a program from early 1990s but that does not make it any better or faster.
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  10. #20


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    Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I already made an argument against using such games as a benchmark for reasons above. Problem with XP is that it can not use HW resources, specially memory and SSDs as efficiently as Win8. Part of Win8 performance is that it uses more RAM for it's processes without digging thru storage which is many times slower. There are much less quality drivers for new hardware so efficiency suffers from that. I haven't benchmarked XP on this same computer (which itself is not some modern marvel) but did with Win7 and Win8 was slightly better.
    Once upon a time, there was a benchmarking program that used installed Office files for benchmarking but can't remember it now, It would be nice if someone wrote it to work on newer systems, although a moot point because of XP's lack of support and virtual is now obsolete in many other ways including new programs that can take it's advantage points into account.
    You just have to trust me on this one... I did both the game fps test thing and the .NET code writing testing thing. XP was much faster in both scenarios. On the same machine, you're talking about street racing in XP versus going at 25 mph (in 7/8.1) when the posted speed limit is 35 mph! I fear when 9 gets released, it might get a 5mph improvement over 7/8.1 and XP will still beat it hands down at the finish line...
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