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Screenshot Claims To Show Coming Windows 8.1 Start Menu

  1. #11


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    I do not need any Start Menu replacement as I am quite happy with the default Windows 8.1 Start Menu. However, of all third party Start Menu replacements I have tested, the Start Menu Reviver is in my opinion the best:

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    Start Menu Reviver is free.

    Kari

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  2. #12


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    That one looks interesting too -- I'll try that one out --thanks for the link. The only drawback I see with it though is that it's essentially "One dimensional" - I rather like the idea of Cascading menus -- so I can GROUP stuff together rather than have the whole lot displayed in one go -- especially say for a program or application that contains a lot of sub menus -- like a lot of video editing programs for example.

    If it has to be in 1-D then I'd like the TOP application say to have a + sign under it and then be able to add sub applications so these are seen when you click the + sign. (The sub applications become expanded and visible and on a subsequent click become invisible again - menu contracts to top level application).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #13


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    Windows 7 uiltimate, Windows 8.1 pro 64bit, Windows server 2008R2, Windows 10 TP


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I really don't like the classic menu any more -- also on Classic menu (or the 3rd party classic shell apps) how do you link Metro apps to it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    StartIsBack and I think Start8, classic shell has modern app shortcuts you can enable or disable it in options.
    As I still haven't found any modern app that is useful or/and don't have more functional desktop analog. I have disabled modern apps shortcuts. Maybe situation will change but as of now windows store is full of crap ware or inferior to desktop versions software.

    I use modern apps only on my windows 8.1 tablet because they are better optimized for touch.

    Example of StartIsBack with modern apps enabled.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails start app.jpg  
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  4. #14


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there.

    Trouble with things like StartIsBack etc. is that they bang the WHOLE kybosh into the menu. What I like about custom toolbars is you get to choose what you want and can group and name according to your taste as well. I don't like Classic shell either as it seems to introduce a small but perceptible lag when launching say an application like photoshop. You really notice that when you've got an SSD for the OS - the lag is small but definitely there.

    If these menus were 100% user customisable then perhaps I might use them but I can't really see what's wrong with using a custom toolbar -- and the advantage is you can store the data into a file so if you restore the OS / move to another machine etc it just takes seconds to re-create the standard toolbar with all the links etc.

    The leaked WZOR shot - if it's genuine to me looks the most likely candidate - I could use that one if it's true - but no biggie - I'm used to my custom toolbar.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #15


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    Windows 7 uiltimate, Windows 8.1 pro 64bit, Windows server 2008R2, Windows 10 TP


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Trouble with things like StartIsBack etc. is that they bang the WHOLE kybosh into the menu. What I like about custom toolbars is you get to choose what you want and can group and name according to your taste as well. I don't like Classic shell either as it seems to introduce a small but perceptible lag when launching say an application like photoshop. You really notice that when you've got an SSD for the OS - the lag is small but definitely there.

    If these menus were 100% user customisable then perhaps I might use them but I can't really see what's wrong with using a custom toolbar -- and the advantage is you can store the data into a file so if you restore the OS / move to another machine etc it just takes seconds to re-create the standard toolbar with all the links etc.

    The leaked WZOR shot - if it's genuine to me looks the most likely candidate - I could use that one if it's true - but no biggie - I'm used to my custom toolbar.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I use SSD for my Windows 8.1 laptop and desktop PCs and I haven't noticed any slow downs with StartIsBack.
    I have tried Custom toolbars, but they don't have some things that I use daily in my work flow.
    I haven't used them for long time so maybe there is solution to my problem.
    I want Windows 7/vista type jump lists so you can access recent files you worked and most common functionality (like send new mail etc.) of software right from start menu, so does custom toolbar offer similar functionality?
    I don't like windows XP or older style cascading menu (because it sometimes can move far out of the bounds of menu and requires more of mouse movement) is there a way to make them like Vista/7 menu grouping?
    I want control panel, power options (shutdown, restart etc.) and similar links in my start menu is there a way to get them in custom toolbar?

    I don't think that custom toolbar is 100% user customizable, no start replacement or even original start menus really is.
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  6. #16


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baidukun View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Trouble with things like StartIsBack etc. is that they bang the WHOLE kybosh into the menu. What I like about custom toolbars is you get to choose what you want and can group and name according to your taste as well. I don't like Classic shell either as it seems to introduce a small but perceptible lag when launching say an application like photoshop. You really notice that when you've got an SSD for the OS - the lag is small but definitely there.

    If these menus were 100% user customisable then perhaps I might use them but I can't really see what's wrong with using a custom toolbar -- and the advantage is you can store the data into a file so if you restore the OS / move to another machine etc it just takes seconds to re-create the standard toolbar with all the links etc.

    The leaked WZOR shot - if it's genuine to me looks the most likely candidate - I could use that one if it's true - but no biggie - I'm used to my custom toolbar.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I use SSD for my Windows 8.1 laptop and desktop PCs and I haven't noticed any slow downs with StartIsBack.
    I have tried Custom toolbars, but they don't have some things that I use daily in my work flow.
    I haven't used them for long time so maybe there is solution to my problem.
    I want Windows 7/vista type jump lists so you can access recent files you worked and most common functionality (like send new mail etc.) of software right from start menu, so does custom toolbar offer similar functionality?
    I don't like windows XP or older style cascading menu (because it sometimes can move far out of the bounds of menu and requires more of mouse movement) is there a way to make them like Vista/7 menu grouping?
    I want control panel, power options (shutdown, restart etc.) and similar links in my start menu is there a way to get them in custom toolbar?

    I don't think that custom toolbar is 100% user customizable, no start replacement or even original start menus really is.
    Hi there

    Custom toolbars are as customiseable as you want (as far as grouping / adding / cascading) applications.

    To get to "Last used" or most used" programs could be done programmatically.

    Now I'm not a coder but I could suggest the logic of doing this if someone who knows how to code this stuff wants to try.

    1) Background process - records nr of times an application is started (you could "pre-customise that too so only specific application data is counted).
    2) every so often add the data / update the data in the file used to create the custom toolbar.
    3) update custom toolbar.

    So next time you access custom toolbar you should see last used / most used applications on it too !!!

    Haven't any idea of how to code this but in theory something like that should work.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #17


    Here's my Windows 8.1x64 desktop & Classic Shell start menu (click for 1920x1200, actual size):

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    2)Click image for larger version

    Start Menu pictured above is just one of many possibilities with Classic Shell's start menu options.

    Here's one of Classic Shell's settings pages for Start Menu configuration (I really like this control panel as you can simply turn-off hotspots and charms if you want--customization options are great):

    3)Click image for larger version


    Classic Shell includes a classic browser, but the Start Menu is the only component I use in the package--you decide which of its programs you want when you install. Highly recommended!
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  8. #18


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    Win 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    What I find funny is that the screen shot with the start is the about the same for Windows 8.1 update 2 and Windows 9.
    So from that all I can say is that it's all guess work on when and still if MS adds a start to the desktop. As for me.. I like Classic Shell but I will see what the new look is before I judge on what MS finally comes out with,
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  9. #19


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    Windows 7 Home Premium on 2 Windows 8.1 on 1


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    First off, there is a Start Button (or rather Start Flag) that returned. It opens "Start" just as in the past.
    Umm no. The Start Flag takes me to the Start screen (aka the Metro interface). Yes it is a "Start" screen. But it is not what most want.

    Did you look at the article and the screenshot? The Start Button pictured would open similar to how it is Windows 7 and how it is purported to be in Windows 9.
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by bru View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    First off, there is a Start Button (or rather Start Flag) that returned. It opens "Start" just as in the past.
    Umm no. The Start Flag takes me to the Start screen (aka the Metro interface). Yes it is a "Start" screen. But it is not what most want.
    You mean Windows 7 advocates here on forums want, which are but a minority in proportion to the general public worldwide. It looks as though less users were using the Start Menu only to plaster icons to the Desktop or Taskbar. How many Desktops such as waltc just posted above have we seen? Therefore MS took Start Screen from the phone and made it better via Live Tiles and better personalization in order to organize to one's benefit. We've also entered an era of mobility, which demands touch UI, but one can navigate just as well with keyboard and mouse. BTW, Apps Screen is much closer to the Start Menu in functional replication, not the Start Screen.

    Designing the Start screen

    Which links to here:

    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    Did you look at the article and the screenshot? The Start Button pictured would open similar to how it is Windows 7 and how it is purported to be in Windows 9.
    Yes. I read the article and many more like it recently. We can all speculate until we're blue in the face, but that's all it is > Speculation. Nadella must have laid the law down along with consequences if an employee leaks anything. It may well be that they give an option of the Start Menu. I'm not against it, but personally I'll never use it as in the past. I ended up using the Taskbar configured to hide on the right that was 3 or 4 icons deep. Personally I found that to my liking of which I found to be the quickest. That, along with Gadgets, eats up system resources as you know. I'd speculate that the average user doesn't have the powerful systems that most here have, especially laptops, although they've become more powerful in recent years, but with a price. A leaner OS was/is one of their goals.

    I'll add here that 8.x has/is Modern/Metro UI and that the Desktop app/portal sits within. It, after all, has it's own Charms bar shared between the Start Screen. What's changed in 8.1 is that one can configure it to boot to the Desktop app/portal. It continues to have Charms, although one can shut it off.

    Overall, to me it's not just about navigation anymore. It's about obtaining the most personal data upon boot or awakening in the least amount of time. The Start Menu didn't give me that. The Modern/Metro system does.

    The Real Quality Boot Time of 8 Verses 7

    Not only that, but personally I find using the Modern/Metro system with Charms much faster in navigation and in sharing data with others. I can't prove that for there's no scientific study to prove such. I haven't found one anyway. Perhaps someone has. Admittedly it has a higher learning curve, but once learned I find it to be much quicker.
    Bottom line > They may make the Start Menu an option to appease some, but I think MS's overall ultimate goal will be a Modern/Metro > native, but cloud-centric to synchronize > touch-centric OS designed to run across multiple devices. Fredledingue stated it well here in this discussion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Metro Start Screen can open Windows application on an operating system which supports Windows Applications and these operating systems are so far working only on computers.
    Ballmer and his team wanted to bring with Metro lower capability on PCs. Today they want to bring highr capabilities on smartphones which is more logical.
    With a little less bloat mid-range mobile phone could run Windows (a normal version) easily. As I understand Apportal is closer to a full Windows OS.
    Microsoft launches new Windows Apportals

    I'm creating this post on my patio deck having an iced coffee and speaking it into my 8.1 Nokia Lumia 1520 in one app then copy/pasting it into the forum posting text box via the browser because I simply don't want to sit inside behind my tower on such a sunny, gorgeous Sunday morning. Tech sure has changed and will continue to. Tower PCs have their place, but may eventually die off to such mobile devices as the Surface Pro 3, this phablet, and other such devices. At age 63 I may not see it, but I think it's inevitable.

    With that, I'll post then touch the Start Flag to return to Start Screen to see what's up. It may be that I'll write a Word doc via voice and save it to OneDrive to edit or finish on my tower (or other device if I had one). Lean, mobile, and synchronization are the key words today. I simply can't see it accomplished with a Start Menu.
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