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The Desktop will be going away in Threshold...kind of.

  1. #11


    Desktop as we know it needs a change big time! Unnecessary overlapping windows with directory branching on the side just shows how confusing navigation is and how bloated user infrastructure is. Completely unnecessary. Should have changed ten years ago but when you have monopoly you simply don't care.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by insane014 View Post
    Desktop as we know it needs a change big time! Unnecessary overlapping windows with directory branching on the side just shows how confusing navigation is and how bloated user infrastructure is. Completely unnecessary. Should have changed ten years ago but when you have monopoly you simply don't care.

    Hi there

    How would YOU like to have it then

    Try translating a document into 3 different languages without having all 3 versions viewable at the same time, or getting data from one application into another - say a spreadsheet workbook.

    Multiple windows are ESSENTIAL for a lot of tasks where several processes need to be done at the same time.

    Nobody - whether Linux, Android, Ios or Windows has come up with another solution for performing those jobs.

    If you've got a way then maybe you could be the next multi-billionaire -- I certainly can't see a way of changing the OS so I can perform those sort of tasks more conveniently.

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    Hmm,

    First of all, on smaller Windows devices - the ones where Microsoft gives away the license for free - the classic desktop will be going away. These devices will live in the Modern environment and this change is one of the reasons why the Surface mini did not ship.

    Windows RT Mode? Or are they going to port everything to run in a Metro window? I've already had one cup of coffee but I still don't see how that's going to work.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Hmm,

    First of all, on smaller Windows devices - the ones where Microsoft gives away the license for free - the classic desktop will be going away. These devices will live in the Modern environment and this change is one of the reasons why the Surface mini did not ship.

    Windows RT Mode? Or are they going to port everything to run in a Metro window? I've already had one cup of coffee but I still don't see how that's going to work.
    That's what it sounds like to me. The newly redesigned start menu would be like W7. On tablets/phones, the start menu makes up the whole start screen. Windowed apps on the desktop would default to full screen on tablet/phone. So you'd have a unified, copy of the start menu on every device. It'd be cool if they could make the start menu interact with the messaging app too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wpcoe View Post
    I've been considering buying a Windows tablet, very possibly a Surface Pro 3, to pretty much replace my notebook. I use *lots* of desktop apps. A decision to remove the traditional Windows desktop from tablets would make that a rather expensive mistake for me. What is considered a "small device" for which Microsoft gives the OS license for free?

    [edited to correct "Surface 3" to "Surface Pro 3"]


    It's amazing how many people on this Forum think of the surface pro 3 as a tablet --It's a PORTABLE computer in every sense of the word (and more portable than most laptops too).


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Hmm,

    First of all, on smaller Windows devices - the ones where Microsoft gives away the license for free - the classic desktop will be going away. These devices will live in the Modern environment and this change is one of the reasons why the Surface mini did not ship.

    Windows RT Mode? Or are they going to port everything to run in a Metro window? I've already had one cup of coffee but I still don't see how that's going to work.
    Exactly. They'll need to redesign the multi-task WDM for the modern environment for starters. Second, this is literally just Windows RT and means this whole lull of Windows RT should be dropped is pointless because even a good chunk of x86 tablets will just be like Windows RT but RT has the advantage for malware resistance through and through. If you can't run ANY traditional Desktop Win32 software, what's the point then?

    Maybe since it's a freeware OS, it might allow users to upgrade to run Win32 software since it's Microsoft. But, there is also the rumor that current 7 and 8.1 users might get 9 for free so if you have a Dell Venue Pro 8 tablet, you should end up getting the ability to run Win32 software. If they axe out that feature for those tablets either way, a LOT of people might get really upset....
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  7. #17


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    I don't understand why everyone is getting upset about this as we are talking about tablets under 10", why would you run a traditional desktop on an 8" screen as that is just silly. I know itunes right? cause it is not like people who have itunes does not already have an ipod, iphone or ipad.

    The point of this decision seems clear, people who want to use a true tablet which is under 10" will only have access to the Metro UI as this UI is what will work best, I think anyone wanting to use x86 applications on something like an 8" love to torture their eyes. For people who want to use x86 based applications and have a tablet for useability purposes will be required to purchase 10+" screen. What is so hard here? This all makes sense to me. It is not like 10+" tablets have not came down in cost...

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    Well, I for one, think it would be a tragic mistake.

    I have a couple tablets that I run dual monitors on (HDTV's), I like my tablet as a tablet, but do my desktop work on the large screens. To me this is just further proof, Microsoft has no clue how their customers use their products.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by DMGrier View Post
    I don't understand why everyone is getting upset about this as we are talking about tablets under 10", why would you run a traditional desktop on an 8" screen as that is just silly. I know itunes right? cause it is not like people who have itunes does not already have an ipod, iphone or ipad.

    The point of this decision seems clear, people who want to use a true tablet which is under 10" will only have access to the Metro UI as this UI is what will work best, I think anyone wanting to use x86 applications on something like an 8" love to torture their eyes. For people who want to use x86 based applications and have a tablet for useability purposes will be required to purchase 10+" screen. What is so hard here? This all makes sense to me. It is not like 10+" tablets have not came down in cost...

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    This is true, not going to argue too much here, but this completely nullifies the use and purpose of the Intel Atom processor and using an x86 based SoC for these smaller tablets 10 inches and below. I never understood the idea of an 8 inch Atom powered tablet when that is EXACTLY why Windows RT was built for. A small device isn't clearly going to be used for heavy hitter Win32 software, maybe of course the exception being itunes, so why would ANY have done that? Windows RT on an ARM processor is what an 8 inch tablet is all about.

    But then there's the likelihood that 10 inch tablets are lumped into this group. The first and second gen Surface tablets have 10.6 inch screens. That's enough for people to use the Desktop and Win32 class programs just fine. That wouldn't be a good idea to do for them.
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  10. #20


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    Microsoft should call their new freeware SKU "Windows Basic" as that's what it literally is, a basic version of Windows. The version that has the legacy Desktop would be called "Windows Pro."

    Gosh, for some reason this whole thing seems like validation of Windows RT almost.
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