Here's what's wrong with Windows 8

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Here's what's wrong with Windows 8[/h] By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
March 12, 2012, 11:00am PDT


Summary: Windows 8 is a massive gamble for Microsoft, and right now I can see the potential for it to fail harder than Windows Vista did.


I’ve been using the Windows 8 Consumer Preview since its release back at the end of February, and having used it extensively on a number of several physical and virtual systems, I can now put my finger on what I think is wrong with Microsoft’s latest incarnation of Windows.


It might not say the word ‘beta’ anywhere on this release, but this Consumer Preview is still pre-release software, and as such there will be bugs and features that are not yet fixed in stone.


Let’s take a tour of where I think Microsoft has gone wrong with Windows 8, starting with the obvious.


Too much emphasis on touch



I know I’ve ranted about this before, but that’s not going to stop me from ranting about it again.


I still can’t fathom out why Microsoft is pushing a touch-based operating user interface onto systems that people are going to be driving with a keyboard and mouse, which I estimate will make up at least 90 percent if not more of Windows 8 users over the lifespan of the operating system. It feels like change for the sake of change and nothing else.


It feels clumsy and awkward and, as far as I can tell, offers no benefit the traditional PC user. By now, I’ve used Windows 8 enough to be confident enough to say that the new interface is far less efficient to use with a mouse than the Classic interface.


But it gets worse. The more you use the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, the more you get the feel that the concessions that Microsoft have made to those using a keyboard and mouse are poor afterthoughts that feel awkward and clumsy to use. There’s a tremendous lack of consistency in the operating system that really bothers me.



Clashing user interfaces



Another problem I have with Windows 8 is how readily Microsoft flips users between the Classic and Metro user interfaces whenever the developers haven’t managed to create a consistent user interface. I find it utterly crazy that I can go from clicking on a tile on the Metro Start Screen and then be unceremoniously dumped into things like a Classic Control Panel applet or Windows Explorer.


Bolting on a new user interface is one thing, but when that user interface is incomplete, it makes you question the value of having it in the first place.


It gets worse. While Microsoft has ribbonized much of the Classic user interface, these Ribbon menus are still packed with small user elements and fiddly to use with a mouse, and I’m sure that they will be even fiddlier, if not impossible to use, when driven with a finger. The ribbon menus weren’t developed with touch in mind, but it seems that Microsoft has decided to adopt it as a cheap alternative to spreading the Metro user interface across the whole of Windows 8, and it seems like a really bad idea.


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Good article.
 

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Hmm, interesting.

I don't really think the touch emphasis on Start Screen is something that is so terrible on mouse and keyboard, in fact, a mouse and keyboard work fine with the Start Screen.

I have to agree on the clashing interfaces. To me, I think parts of the metro design mask elements of the Desktop, and it gets a little annoying from time to time. As it stands, the Desktop probably isn't complete design-wise. I base this off how Microsoft has redesigned the Task Manager, Help and Support, Windows Server 8, and the fact they're redesigning new software to have the metro look and feel to them. Hopefully, just hopefully, Desktop and Start Screen can live in harmony.
 

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Spot on :thumb:
 

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I found this article sums things up very accurately on how most users will stumble onto things only by trial and error over a lengthy period of time! When following one report's info on pressing the Windows key + Shift I combination to bring all settings I had to scroll a mile over to the right to go over each item while looking for one thing in particular.

The Metro UI sadly needs a guide map for directions in order to find where things are hidden. Hopefully the RTM if not the CP2 equal to Release Candidate if there is to be one will see an easier approach to it. If MS strays too far away from an all too familiar desktop 8 could easily become a flop!

Right now we are seeing the CP=beta but won't help if the RTM is still too much "Mystery Meat" as the author there points out as being too involved to find your way around. The "Mystery" part will outweigh the incorporation of new themes, new features, and even the incorporation of the MS Security Essentials renamed Windows Defender of all things added into the version to come.

That would be MS SE 2 as the first security test without any prompting for an av program detected and removed a trojan! Some old XP downloads IDed as buggy were kept onhand for test purposes and revealed the CP does have an av included in it. There is no more Windows Defender but the SE for 8 being seen. Will the retail finish also see the Security Essentials included or was this just to allow testing without requiring a separate av program due to possible compatibility issues?
 

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Just wanted to chime in here that God Mode still works on CP x86. I don't have x64 to test. Simply make a new folder on the desktop and name it this:

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
 

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I rebooted into the CP long enough to grab a screen of that plus the new shortcut itself which could still be pinned to the taskbar by the way.

Control Panel Shortcut Pinned to Taskbar.jpg

In 7 I don't even need a shortcut pinned since the C.Panel is present in every Windows Explorer(or Computer) window I open! I simply scroll down through all the drives and click the All Control Panel Items.

Control Panel in WE.jpg
 

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Ya, I personally believe all the Metro complaints will subside as soon as most users start customizing things to their liking. Or learning how to do so from helpful people on forums like here and your example.

Fairly clever there, Night Hawk. Nice!
 

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Article is junk

1. Go out buy a 24" touchscreen monitor for $280.
2. Ribbon interfaces have been around for years.
3. Most people spend hours on the computer, take 15 minutes to learn the interface.
4. The OS is device driven, figure it out.
5. There will be a way to have desktop as the default, wait for it.
6. The average person isn't going to be running silicon graphics cad software via their metro apps
7. Kinect?, who cares, waste of time, go outside and get some real exercise.
8. Extra clicks hurting your figures, grow a pair!
9. Live tiles, who cares, better than what we got now.
10. Big screens better, of course they are, most people now have 32" hdtv's or bigger, look into it
 

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Article is junk

1. Go out buy a 24" touchscreen monitor for $280.
2. Ribbon interfaces have been around for years.
3. Most people spend hours on the computer, take 15 minutes to learn the interface.
4. The OS is device driven, figure it out.
5. There will be a way to have desktop as the default, wait for it.
6. The average person isn't going to be running silicon graphics cad software via their metro apps
7. Kinect?, who cares, waste of time, go outside and get some real exercise.
8. Extra clicks hurting your figures, grow a pair!
9. Live tiles, who cares, better than what we got now.
10. Big screens better, of course they are, most people now have 32" hdtv's or bigger, look into it

I agree, one button would be all it takes to stifle all complaints. Classic desktop,..."click" all done, therefore making this article and all similar complaints a waste of time and a mute point. This is not a completely done Op system and people need to remember that.

Metro screen and start button complaints aside the actual desk top Op system is quantum times more stable than Windows 7 ever was.

I've been trying to lock this system up or hoping I'd see at least one blue screen but after two weeks not a one. Normally after two weeks using Windows 7 I'd see at least a couple of screen freeze lock ups when viewing video's or gaming.

This isn't just Windows 7 with a Metro screen and no start button. It's obvious to me that Microsoft rewrote parts or all of the Windows 7 code base in order to create a more stable and intuitive operating system which is what we should be talking about.
 

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Good point, also see meaningful improvements.

Once they add the 'Disable Metro and add start menu' button, then we'll hear the it's just Win7 SP2 complaints, I think we should just get on with the new OS discovery.
 

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For Vista it was the Aero theme and sidebar/gadgets. For 7 it was pinning shortcuts on the taskbar. And now for 8 it will be the Metro UI that will prove to be the new animal to study! :D

A lot of the emphasis for 8 will be the increased support for touch screen which most realize is the obvious just from one look at the CP following DP. Tablet PC and Windows Phone are two of the hot items MS is focusing on to some extent.

The total lack of any familiar Start menu will be the first on the list while once you move into the Apps or Settings screens you fon't see a back button or arrow to click on but have to bring up the Start screen. I think the extra steps will be the largest huddle to overcome.

For those that like things in low resolutions like a few people I know one in particular with a 24" display but runs at 1280x1024 for a screen res the new Start screen could well be an attraction more then a turn off. For those who prefer high res on everything you can also see where this becomes one of the obstacles on the other hand.

Overall I think this is the one version that will end up seeing far more mixed reactions over any previous version. Rest assured MS will have be ironing things before 8 reaches RTM to make 8 work out in the long run!

Besides the main GUI's appearance what other new features? along with what new support does 8 offer? Will there be a newer form of XP or Vista Mode? That's another area we'll be learning more about.
 

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Good piece, can't argue with what the author is saying.
 

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Couldn't agree more! :D I think that has been the best write up I've run across so far for the next version still to come.

The author there nails it on the head when making the assessment of the major changes to the main gui itself. I still run across some asking about how to do things with the 7 taskbar. Wait until they catch a view of what 8 will bring to the table!
 

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one button would be all it takes to stifle all complaints. Classic desktop,..."click" all done

Not a good idea - in the viewpoint of Microsoft:

No metro -> no "Store" icon
No "Store" - > no Apps
No Apps - > no profit
 

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I found this article sums things up very accurately on how most users will stumble onto things only by trial and error over a lengthy period of time! When following one report's info on pressing the Windows key + Shift I combination to bring all settings I had to scroll a mile over to the right to go over each item while looking for one thing in particular. ......


Actually the REAL problem is that most people cannot be bothered anymore to "R.T.F.M".

The documentation is basically there --It's NOT W7 but a new version of Windows --so it's not surprising if things work differently.


If it were mainly W7 with Touch and Metro UI added then people wouldn't have had the problem --but the OS itself might have run like a dog.

People tend to use tablets and smartphones DIFFERENTLY than they way they use a desktop OS so I can't see any problem with MS in trying to design an OS which will work in these newer devices --and give users the option of using this OS on their desktop / laptop as well if they want to - bearing in mind it will generally behave and look different to the Desktop OS they have been used to.

The Onus is on the USER to read / understand the documentation.

It's also a "Beta" so there isn't any problem in expressing disliked / liked features -- but this is NOT an update of W7 so I'd suggest that users wanting to improve what already exists in W7 might be better in addressing the W7 team.

There is NO way that ANY corporate will use W8 in the near future --they are only just beginning to roll out W7 so people need to understand that these OS'es will CO-EXIST for many years (assuming W8 is released).

W8 will start of essentially as a CONSUMER product rather than an Enterprise one as far as the desk / laptop is concerned.

We shall have to see how tablets and phones cope with W8 -- but IMO almost ANYTHING is better than "DUMBDROID". (And I'm not buying an Iphone either).

Cheers
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RTFM?

Where's the Metro tile, "Windows User Manual"?
Have you tried using the "Windows Help"?

The only useful info about W8, is on forums like this one. :)
 

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Hi there
there was quite a lot of documentation with in the DEVELOPER EDITION preview download which i'm sure most people have who are trying the consumer download.

In any case there is plenty of data on THIS FORUM (thanks everybody) so the advice is still the same --learn to do what you need in the new W8 -- and remember it's not simply an updated version of W7.

And if you REALLY don't like it don't use it --but don't complain after only using it for 30 mins or so.

I wonder in the authors disklike of the Ribbon has he ever used EXCEL. I like the ribbon --and if he has trouble with using the mouse I suspect his hardware could have a defect in it.

I really don't have any problem with using the mouse and there are some excellent keyboard short cuts too.

My only problem is that the tiles can't be customized currentl when installing "Bog standard apps" like Photoshop CS5.5 etc.

You can get rid of surplus ones but you can't change the background or do much with the ICON that comes with standard program installs.

cheers
jimbo

Cheers
jimbo
 

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