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YouTube Video Shows How "Real People" React To Windows 8

  1. #51


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    Windows7, Windows8


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    in front of the new OS with no introduction
    This is the key. Without any guidance it will be hard for a non-geek. But I found that a 1 hour rundown of the main features makes average users quite comfortable. For XP, Vista or Win7 you would need more time to explain the basics.
    Yep, I agree it will be very hard for a non geek. The very point of the Start button back in 85 was to help non-geeks (even the geeks back then I guess) and give them that one consistant point to launch their program and be productive. Heck, I spend my working day looking at the cmd prompt and even I had to go searching for it. I finally gave up and opened task manager in the end.

    My big problem with this is the lack of a shutdown button. This is the one place where MS are really missing the point with the whole desktop/tablet OS. I see that Win8 is going to be compatible with ARM machines and that's good, ARM machines do not require to be powered off as often and draw very little power, hence they are favored by Mobile manufacurers. However X86 machines such as desktops and even laptops to a lesser extent are very power hungry and by their nature require more frequent reboots.

    Also what normal user would want to keep their PC on all day? Electricity cost mone, consumers will want to turn it off.

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  2. #52


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    Also what normal user would want to keep their PC on all day? Electricity cost mone, consumers will want to turn it off.

    I let certain of my PCs run 24/7 other have the sleep mode enable, you can use the power button of the case to shutdown.
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  3. #53


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    Windows7, Windows8


    Now now remember our computers 101 training. Improper shut downs can lead to undesired affects, that is why we have shutdown buttons. Haha

    Of course we might be aware of any issues that can be caused by doing this and would also make sure any work that we doing has been saved before hitting the button but many of the Muggles would still throw a wobbler when their excel docs become corrupt.
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  4. #54


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    Now now remember our computers 101 training. Improper shut downs can lead to undesired affects, that is why we have shutdown buttons. Haha .
    Have you try to use a recent computer recently? ..Computer 101 training LOL, when did you get your lass course ? 10 years ago ? .. If you press the power button for 1 second on a recent computer, it's the same as clicking on the shutdown Icon of Windows 7, it send a commend to shut down the PC. To close the computer like you seem to think it will happen, you have to press the power button form more than 5 seconds.
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  5. #55


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Yes today the power button is safe unless you use Win 98 or something old where apci schemes don't work well.

    Unplugging cable from socket, now that's bad.
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  6. #56


    Posts : 15
    Windows7, Windows8


    Ok the computer101 comment was a little tongue in cheek, but please do not believe that pressing the power button does the same thing as clicking the shutdown button. When hold down the power button and let go you are giving the signal to the CMOS to power down, effectively cutting the power to the rest of the mobo regardless of what the OS is doing at that time. Doing this is often the main reason why PCs initiate the Disk Check sequence if the pc was writing to the HDD at the time of shutdown.

    In contrast, clicking on the Shutdown button will give windows the signal to start closing down it services, background processors and also prompting the user if they still have programs running (if any), before sending the signal to power off the PC. This is the safe and correct shut down procedure.

    And yes, I do use pcs a lot. I am an IT technician for a pharmaceutical company where force shutdowns are common, so we need to be aware of this procedure.
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  7. #57


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Yes today the power button is safe unless you use Win 98 or something old where apci schemes don't work well.

    Unplugging cable from socket, now that's bad.
    One of my neighbors kept shutting here XP system down - with the switch on the surge protector. She had routinely done that for years - never had any problems.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    but please do not believe that pressing the power button does the same thing as clicking the shutdown button. When hold down the power button and let go you are giving the signal to the CMOS to power down, ..
    No it's not, it send a signal to Windows and depending on your setting in the power option it will, shutdown, hibernate, sleep or do nothing , it's in control panel, see the picture down


    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    Doing this is often the main reason why PCs initiate the Disk Check sequence if the pc was writing to the HDD at the time of shutdown..
    Windows will restart normally as it was shutdown properly

    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    And yes, I do use pcs a lot. I am an IT technician for a pharmaceutical company where force shutdowns are common, so we need to be aware of this procedure.

    LOL, let's say that your company have to send you on training.....



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  9. #59


    Posts : 15
    Windows7, Windows8


    Thank you but I know where the power options are, and even knew that before I became Microsoft Certified. But please, tell me what you think windows is doing when you see the words "Windows is shutting down"? Because it ain't just sending a kill all power signal directly to the CMOS.
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  10. #60


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post
    Thank you but I know where the power options are, and even knew that before I became Microsoft Certified. But please, tell me what you think windows is doing when you see the words "Windows is shutting down"? Because it ain't just sending a kill all power signal directly to the CMOS.
    Why you call it CMOS ? , it's a BIOS or UEFI, CMOS " Complementary metal–oxide–semiconductor " is a technology for constructing integrated circuits. Bios can be a chips made with CMOS technology, but not all the CMOS are BIOS

    Please stop to say your work as an IT or you are Microsoft Certified, in another tread you said that Metro is an interactive screen saver. this is why another members reply with this ; ROTFLMAO. it's easy to see you have very limited knowledge of Windows.

    Can you just try the Power Button for 1 sec, you will see it close the aplications and give you also the Windows is shutting down.

    Anyway this start to be very off topic.
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