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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 announcement

  1. #71


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    I am fully convinced that many of you just have no clue what you get from a Surface Pro.
    It is far more than just a tablet.

    I would love to see them a bit cheaper,, sure, who doesn't?
    But understanding why the price is what it is, is important.

    Just because someone thinks it is too expensive, does not mean it is overpriced.
    iPads are highly overpriced, to say anything different is disingenuous.

    The Macbook Air by comparison is also overpriced.
    But, realize, that their OS Cost is fully rolled into the price of their systems.
    So, by that token, they are probably about on par.
    If you could legally build your own PC and install OSX on it,
    Apple would then become a software only company, and you would see that OSX would
    cost as much as Windows OS, if not more.

    Just understand, that you are getting what you pay for in a Surface Pro, no matter what you might wish to believe.


    Buy the new 12-inch Surface Pro 3 - Microsoft Store
    Last edited by Tepid; 25 May 2014 at 17:17.

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  2. #72


    Posts : 86
    Windows 8.1 Pro & OS X Mavericks


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    I am fully convinced that many of you just have no clue what you get from a Surface Pro.
    It is far more than just a tablet.

    I would love to see them a bit cheaper,, sure, who doesn't?
    But understanding why the price is what it is, is important.

    Just because someone thinks it is too expensive, does not mean it is overpriced.
    iPads are highly overpriced, to say anything different is disingenuous.

    The Macbook Air by comparison is also overpriced.
    But, realize, that their OS Cost is fully rolled into the price of their systems.
    So, by that token, they are probably about on par.
    If you could legally build your own PC and install OSX on it,
    Apple would then become a software only company, and you would see that OSX would
    cost as much as Windows OS, if not more.

    Just understand, that you are getting what you pay for in a Surface Pro, no matter what you might wish to believe.


    Buy the new 12-inch Surface Pro 3 - Microsoft Store
    Now that I think about it, someone has to install OS X on this thing. Imagine this thing having OS X and Windows with touch capabilities? But then again OS X doesn't have a touch keyboard. Darn. But I believe this is possible.
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  3. #73


    Somewhere in USA
    Posts : 233
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Bite me. All I did was state my opinion on the subject and you cop an attitude with me. I have no respect for people like you. Im talking about my usage when it comes to a computer. For my usage model the laptop is far and away superior because it can be taken most places and is far more cost effective than the surface.

    No, you know what, I've already given you far too much time. You arent worth it.
    LOL!
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  4. #74


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Bite me. All I did was state my opinion on the subject and you cop an attitude with me. I have no respect for people like you. Im talking about my usage when it comes to a computer. For my usage model the laptop is far and away superior because it can be taken most places and is far more cost effective than the surface.

    No, you know what, I've already given you far too much time. You arent worth it.
    C'mon guys.

    As the Brits say "Horses for Courses".

    The weight / bulk / size of a laptop might not be suitable in some places where extreme portability and a reasonable compute power is required -- for this type of form factor you usually have to pay a premium -- sometimes quite hefty too. I remember when the first ultra small 2.5 inch TV sets came out years ago -- these cost many times the price of standard sets and were Black and White only but still sold in droves.

    For its INTENDED market this device will be very popular indeed -- maybe ACER or others will come out with a cheaper clone -- we shall see - but obviously it won't suit everybody.

    I've been a HUGE tablet hater - especially the 7 inch size - but this device IMO for a lot of people could quite easily replace a Laptop - especially the i5 / i7 models. No lack of compute power there either and a far better screen resolution than is available on most laptop displays (Macbooks excepted here of course - their displays have always been first class but also at a hefty premium too).

    What the point of the thread is - and people are missing this in its entirety is that NOW this type of "convertible" is available to do tasks that previously would have needed a standard Laptop or desktop, do them well and in an ultra small and highly portable form factor.

    Now whether this floats your boat or not is up to you. I for one think in spite of the price tag this will be a hugely popular device amongst working IT professionals, roving / external consultants and management types.

    For home gamers and hobbyists probably not but that's not the market its aimed at.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #75


    Posts : 902
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Bite me. All I did was state my opinion on the subject and you cop an attitude with me. I have no respect for people like you. Im talking about my usage when it comes to a computer. For my usage model the laptop is far and away superior because it can be taken most places and is far more cost effective than the surface.

    No, you know what, I've already given you far too much time. You arent worth it.
    Sadly there is an element here that for reasons known only to themselves trumpet all things microsoft as if they were the second coming of the Lord. Some of course are worse than others, and some it's best to just write them off altogether as....................(you can fill in the blanks, as board rules would prevent me from doing so)

    Frankly, your last line pretty much nailed it.
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  6. #76


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    However, in comparison to a HDD their number of write cycles is extremely limited especially when it comes to an NTFS file system.
    The write cycle debate of SSD's is so exaggerated. Is it limited, "absolutely". Will any of us own a device long enough with the same SSD to ever experience the problem? I bet there isn't a single one of us on this forum who will EVER hit that limit, EVER.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Mine mostly stays at home, so weight and space are not a big deal anyway.
    Different tool for different tasks. That's what it boils down to.
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  7. #77


    Cross Plains
    Posts : 255
    Windows 10 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    However, in comparison to a HDD their number of write cycles is extremely limited especially when it comes to an NTFS file system.
    The write cycle debate of SSD's is so exaggerated. Is it limited, "absolutely". Will any of us own a device long enough with the same SSD to ever experience the problem? I bet there isn't a single one of us on this forum who will EVER hit that limit, EVER.
    While this is likely true, I'm still wary. Ive worn out multiple flash drives from multiple vendors by formatting them to the NTFS file system. They use the same memory as SSDs. Ive never worn out a flash drive that I have left formatted to the FAT32 file system.
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  8. #78


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    So the screen is 3:2, hmmm... I'm good with that.

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    Doesn't look that bad compared to the other formats.
    A little good from here, a little bad from there.

    Good that nobody did the 5:4 or the 1:1 as tablet formats, but you'll never know.

    First of all, there are lovers and there are haters, for a large monitor 16:9 goes best BUT not for a tablet-device that will look kinda long. I don't know, a phone goes in 16/9 but the tablet becomes a surfing-board (when you literally 'surf' the web)

    Click image for larger version

    Nah, maybe I was looking from the wrong angle... sometimes 16:9 is ideal for the usage, to get a lot of stuff on the screen width.

    The Ipad has 4:3, the screen isn't too good for movies because you get the black-bars.

    So MS thought something in between has to do the trick.... we just have to see some demos first, good or bad.

    To start 3/2 = 1.5 is a pretty nice ratio.

    For 16:9 you have the pure 16/9 screens but also some very close enough ones like 1360x768 and 1366x768 that don't follow the perfect ratio entirely, but ok we don't need to look a sub-atomic level for this: they are 16:9.
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  9. #79


    More on the subject of flash vs. spinners > Drop both and let us know how it goes.
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  10. #80


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    However, in comparison to a HDD their number of write cycles is extremely limited especially when it comes to an NTFS file system.
    The write cycle debate of SSD's is so exaggerated. Is it limited, "absolutely". Will any of us own a device long enough with the same SSD to ever experience the problem? I bet there isn't a single one of us on this forum who will EVER hit that limit, EVER.
    While this is likely true, I'm still wary. Ive worn out multiple flash drives from multiple vendors by formatting them to the NTFS file system. They use the same memory as SSDs. Ive never worn out a flash drive that I have left formatted to the FAT32 file system.
    Well, never happened to me. I've been working professional in IT since 1997.
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