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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 announcement

  1. #61


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ I only mentioned the mini-ultrabook because people keep throwing around the thoughts of
    #1). Tablets are toys
    #2). It's too expensive for a tablet
    #3). I'd rather have a laptop, (real computer), over a tablet.

    But these are full fledged computers in a very small form factor that is completely portable. Sure, they aren't desktop computers with expandability but then neither are laptops...especially modern day ultrabooks that are becoming less and less user serviceable.

    The Generation 1 Surface Pro that I have, 128GB was purchased in August of 2013, so less than i year ago. It was $999, and with the $129.00 type cover, it came out to 1,196.73 with tax. So, I don't see the price as being ridiculous compared to the previous generations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    The upcoming Asus T200 with Bay Trail looks like a better deal to me unless you somehow like the new 3:2 aspect ratio of the Surface 3, need the power of a i3/i5/i7 plus 4GB ram on a 12" Windows tablet/laptop or just like Microsoft's products.
    From what I have read, the T200 is going to be in the $500-$700 range, and will be a rather low performance Bay Trail budget CPU, with 2GB of RAM, with 64GB of slow storage. I don't see that being a great deal. A coworker of mine bought a lower end Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet and it SOOOOOOOO SLLLLOOOOOWWWWWW compared to my Surface Pro that it's not enjoyable to use in the least.


    I see you have to the dark side and accepted that Windows tablets are superior...
    Remember, i have a Microsoft Surface Pro Gen 1, but yet i'm sitting here responding on my MacBook Pro. While I have high hopes for the Surface Pro 3, there is very little chance that I will actually purchase one.

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  2. #62


    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    At $350 less than the Surface Pro 3 (assuming the price above is about correct) for a slightly smaller Windows 8.1 tablet with lower resolution screen, a Atom Bay Trail processor, 2GB ram, 64GB storage, a included keyboard dock with touchpad and very likely Office 2013 Home bundled; I think the T200 is going to be hard to pass up for anyone looking for a Windows 8.1 tablet and do not want to break the bank especially the way the economy is right now.
    And like my friend discovered with his lower cost, lower powered Intel Thinkpad....the performance of Windows 8.x on slow hardware with slow drives and low amounts of system memory are less than awesome to work with. Watching his plod away through Windows update was just painful. The Surface Pro Gen 1 trounced it.
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    At $350 less than the Surface Pro 3 (assuming the price above is about correct) for a slightly smaller Windows 8.1 tablet with lower resolution screen, a Atom Bay Trail processor, 2GB ram, 64GB storage, a included keyboard dock with touchpad and very likely Office 2013 Home bundled; I think the T200 is going to be hard to pass up for anyone looking for a Windows 8.1 tablet and do not want to break the bank especially the way the economy is right now.
    And like my friend discovered with his lower cost, lower powered Intel Thinkpad....the performance of Windows 8.x on slow hardware with slow drives and low amounts of system memory are less than awesome to work with. Watching his plod away through Windows update was just painful. The Surface Pro Gen 1 trounced it.

    Hi there

    Agreed absolutely,

    All these people pushing things like the ATOM processor with cheaper hardware really ought to try WORKING with that hardware.

    I mentioned in a previous thread that in all my years of working with computer, from TSO on IBM Mainframes in the late 1970's to todays PC's the most frustrating thing is to have slow response time (and poor graphics). I remember the older terminal emulation (IBM 3270) on a PC and you could see the screen being repainted every time you sent a request back to the TSO system (Time Sharing Option) on the IBM machine.

    I need this device to perform at least as acceptably good as what I'm using now (and preferably better) -- and by all accounts this piece of kit performs the job admirably. The more I read about this device the more likely I am to get it (my first real foray into "The tablet world").

    If I can use this at work sensibly with a decent external monitor and providing the USB3 works at SENSIBLE speed (a lot of current USB3 hardware is hobbled by the SLOW BUS speed on some computer MOBOS) then this might really replace my Laptop too.

    At least with the 8GB internal RAM (would have liked 16 but 8GB is OK for a portable device) I should also be able to run a W7 VM on it too.

    Price isn't everything so long as it's payable by its intended target market. I reckon using one of these at work it won't be long before many other do to.

    Ms really has a Winner here --BTW I believe I also added in a previous post in this thread how to easily construct a better Holder for having the screen in a vertical position

    - @PParks1 - I'll add a little hole at the side for fixing the pen too -- as you say you don't want to easily lose a 50 USD pen. If you've ever done Photography with decent DSLR's you know how easily Lens Caps can be put down and lost !!!!

    For UK users looks like it will be available around Late AUG, Haven't seen any other European sites where it might be available earlier -- trouble with say buying in Germany or Holland you get the German / Dutch version of Windows -- although I DO speak both those languages (or Flemish rather than Dutch -- dialect --work in Belgium a lot) I would really like the ENGLISH version of Windows. Keyboards are easy to change anyway so that's not an issue. Still my TechNet subscription lasts until October so I might install the Windows 8.1 Enterprise version -- fortunately still available as an ISO).

    Surface Pro 3 - Microsoft Store United Kingdom Online Store###

    (@nemix -- you don't have to spend the 130 USD on an external keyboard -- there's enough ports on this thing - especially with the docking station for you to plug in just any old cheapo keyboard - wireless or not - or even a small Blue tooth one).

    I find the small portable Ms ARC keyboard very OK even for DESKTOP use -- costs nothing like 130 USD -- more like 30 !!! and you can get VERY cheap keyboards anyway now).

    cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #64


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    Definitely not for me. I got my Toshiba for $640 with a 4th Gen Core i5, 6 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD. 16:9 screen at 1920*1080. It kicks the crap out of that thing all around.
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  5. #65


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Definitely not for me. I got my Toshiba for $640 with a 4th Gen Core i5, 6 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD. 16:9 screen at 1920*1080. It kicks the crap out of that thing all around.
    That's fine -- this device isn't for everybody but if you want the lightest portable PROPER computing device in a TINY footprint this will really appeal to its target market.

    I don't know when the last time you got on a plane was --The seats seem to have less and less space these days -- I almost can't use "Cattle" class any more and even in business the seats seem cramped together more than they used to be (and it's not because I've got fatter / larger --I'm actually much slimmer than I was 5 years ago !!!).

    Even thinking of using a standard laptop on these planes is out of the question especially with 15 - 17 inch screens -- A surface pro would easily work and with 8 hr battery life would survive use on a flight say between London and Los Angeles. (approx. 10 hr flight - but you wouldn't use the laptop for 100% of the time).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    ... the lightest portable PROPER computing device in a TINY footprint this will really appeal to its target market.
    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yanno, on this particular point I wholly agree. I guess the only question that remains is how big that market truly is. I'm sure it'll be interesting to see.

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  7. #67


    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Definitely not for me. I got my Toshiba for $640 with a 4th Gen Core i5, 6 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD. 16:9 screen at 1920*1080. It kicks the crap out of that thing all around.
    And for me, the standard hard drive over the SSD is an absolute, "no thanks, I'll pass". How is the handwriting support on your Toshiba? And do you get over 8 hours of battery life? And I bet your Toshiba weighs at LEAST 2.5x as much. Maybe these things are irrelevant to you, but I wouldn't support saying your device universally kicks the crap out of the surface 3.
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  8. #68


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Definitely not for me. I got my Toshiba for $640 with a 4th Gen Core i5, 6 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD. 16:9 screen at 1920*1080. It kicks the crap out of that thing all around.
    And for me, the standard hard drive over the SSD is an absolute, "no thanks, I'll pass". How is the handwriting support on your Toshiba? And do you get over 8 hours of battery life? And I bet your Toshiba weighs at LEAST 2.5x as much. Maybe these things are irrelevant to you, but I wouldn't support saying your device universally kicks the crap out of the surface 3.
    Sure, it weighs more. But only 4.5 lbs. Its an ultrabook, so its pretty light. It boots up fast enough for me even with a standard HDD. SSD are much faster, no debate about that. However, in comparison to a HDD their number of write cycles is extremely limited especially when it comes to an NTFS file system. Sleep it instead of shutting down, and it comes up quick anyway. Mine mostly stays at home, so weight and space are not a big deal anyway.
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  9. #69


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ArazelEternal View Post
    Definitely not for me. I got my Toshiba for $640 with a 4th Gen Core i5, 6 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD. 16:9 screen at 1920*1080. It kicks the crap out of that thing all around.
    And for me, the standard hard drive over the SSD is an absolute, "no thanks, I'll pass". How is the handwriting support on your Toshiba? And do you get over 8 hours of battery life? And I bet your Toshiba weighs at LEAST 2.5x as much. Maybe these things are irrelevant to you, but I wouldn't support saying your device universally kicks the crap out of the surface 3.
    Sure, it weighs more. But only 4.5 lbs. Its an ultrabook, so its pretty light. It boots up fast enough for me even with a standard HDD. SSD are much faster, no debate about that. However, in comparison to a HDD their number of write cycles is extremely limited especially when it comes to an NTFS file system. Sleep it instead of shutting down, and it comes up quick anyway. Mine mostly stays at home, so weight and space are not a big deal anyway.
    Ok, this is a bit ridiculous. By your reasoning, my desktop setup kicks the crap out of your laptop.

    You obviously don't need an ultraportable. What you have is a compromised desktop replacement.

    We are looking for a compromised desktop, laptop, and tablet replacement. And in that, it excels exceptionally.

    There is no comparison.
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  10. #70


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    Bite me. All I did was state my opinion on the subject and you cop an attitude with me. I have no respect for people like you. Im talking about my usage when it comes to a computer. For my usage model the laptop is far and away superior because it can be taken most places and is far more cost effective than the surface.

    No, you know what, I've already given you far too much time. You arent worth it.
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