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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 announcement

  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ I only mentioned the mini-ultrabook because people keep throwing around the thoughts of
    #1). Tablets are toys
    #2). It's too expensive for a tablet
    #3). I'd rather have a laptop, (real computer), over a tablet.

    But these are full fledged computers in a very small form factor that is completely portable. Sure, they aren't desktop computers with expandability but then neither are laptops...especially modern day ultrabooks that are becoming less and less user serviceable.

    The Generation 1 Surface Pro that I have, 128GB was purchased in August of 2013, so less than i year ago. It was $999, and with the $129.00 type cover, it came out to 1,196.73 with tax. So, I don't see the price as being ridiculous compared to the previous generations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    The upcoming Asus T200 with Bay Trail looks like a better deal to me unless you somehow like the new 3:2 aspect ratio of the Surface 3, need the power of a i3/i5/i7 plus 4GB ram on a 12" Windows tablet/laptop or just like Microsoft's products.
    From what I have read, the T200 is going to be in the $500-$700 range, and will be a rather low performance Bay Trail budget CPU, with 2GB of RAM, with 64GB of slow storage. I don't see that being a great deal. A coworker of mine bought a lower end Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet and it SOOOOOOOO SLLLLOOOOOWWWWWW compared to my Surface Pro that it's not enjoyable to use in the least.


    I see you have to the dark side and accepted that Windows tablets are superior...

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    Gosh, if they had made an RT version of this, I would have seriously bought one. But the more I use my Surface RT tablet, the better I understand it's place in the picture now. Having Windows 8.1.1 on my self built desktop PC, Windows Phone 8.1 on my Lumia 920, Windows 8.1.1 RT on a tablet with an ARM processor and one Microsoft account makes sense. I don't personally need x86 computing as that's why I have my desktop but I need some more computing than my Windows Phone. The account syncing is so much more seamless than ever before and is literally painting the picture of three screens, one UI design just right. It's a perfect niche device I have to say, but I REALLY wish it had a Wacom digitizer and pen...

    I'm a bit surprised at some people here. I was expecting more drab comments but it seems the crowd that are fairly meh towards Windows tablets are now much more warmer to the idea. Goooooooood......very gooooood.
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  3. #53


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    Hi there

    A low power device these days is DEAD IN THE WATER -- going the same way as Netbooks. What on earth would you want a small underpowered device for when any self respecting smartphone would out perform it EASILY and most people I suspect on these Forums (note I did say MOST - not ALL) would have a decent phone already.

    a 7 inch tablet IMO is a total waste of time and space. The new Surface Pro looks perfect for business or even Home computer use for those who want the facilities of a laptop in a small portable form factor and can use it as a tablet too.

    (As for Phablets looking silly when people are making calls -- it's almost as laughable when you see people holding up iPads to take pics too !!!).

    @Coke robot --your logic looks a bit screwed -- you say you DON'T NEED x86 computing and then in the SAME sentence say That's why I have my desktop ????!!!!!.

    The RT system in any case looks now totally doomed from Ms's point of view -- there's utterly no point with them in continuing it -- makes no business sense whatsoever -- even as a Tax write off.

    What also distinguishes the new PRO apart from older "classical tablets" is 1) Proper screen size (12.1 inches is perfectly decent for a portable device), 2) sufficiently high powered enough to run standard Windows applications, 3) endowed with enough peripherals to make this device totally "Lap top replaceable". Unlike a typical tablet this one can easily be used in a commercial workplace as a desktop replacement and by running full Windows 8.1 you can run a sensible desktop OS on it too -- it's not all about Touch and the kiddy mobile phone interface.

    While people say it's not cheap --if you take the cost of a DECENT laptop and TABLET together (none of those stupid 7 inch things) then the price is actually quite reasonable and AFAIK apart from the iPad the largest common tablets out there currently are only 10 inch ones.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    @ Coke Robot

    The T200 is already listed early at $350 Euros for the 32GB version and $400 Euros for the 32GB plus 500GB HDD in the dock or the 64GB version and I believe this is going to translate to about $400 and $450 US respectively with $500 US for possible 64GB + 500GB HDD model, knowing how almost all retailers list early prices higher than product release selling price.

    The T100 64GB is currently selling for $350 US dollars and was on sale at Microsoft's store for $300 in November 2013, I don't know were you read your sources but for $500-$600 the Asus T200 would definitely be not worth the price; if anything the T100 will probably go on sale again come Black Friday 2014 for $299 or less.

    At $350 less than the Surface Pro 3 (assuming the price above is about correct) for a slightly smaller Windows 8.1 tablet with lower resolution screen, a Atom Bay Trail processor, 2GB ram, 64GB storage, a included keyboard dock with touchpad and very likely Office 2013 Home bundled; I think the T200 is going to be hard to pass up for anyone looking for a Windows 8.1 tablet and do not want to break the bank especially the way the economy is right now.
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    Hi there

    Atom processor with only 2GB RAM -- C'mon guys this is DINOSAUR TECHNOLOGY -- I think anyone even THINKING about getting one of these is really not looking after their money wisely -- just try running two concurrent large spread sheets with a small video going on -- forget it.

    The economy is actually picking up in most places -- I'd definitely try and scrimp up that extra 350 USD -- and don't forget that the current "suggested price" for the surface 3 might be undercut (in fact probably will be) by some 3rd party independents. Ms hasn't (yet) got the physical "Bricks and Motor" type of outlets that Apple has so it's going to be a lot harder for it ALONE to supply these (and why would it want to -- more surface Pro's = more Office licenses / other products !!).

    I've been around computers a long time and believe me there's NOTHING worse than using an underpowered device - especially if you've already got used to faster processing on existing devices. Believe me that Atom processor will end up in THE TIP very quickly indeed =-- even your Grand kids (if you have any) will turn their noses up at it.

    Cheers
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    Nevermind.
    Last edited by Nemix; 23 May 2014 at 04:25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Atom processor with only 2GB RAM -- C'mon guys this is DINOSAUR TECHNOLOGY -- I think anyone even THINKING about getting one of these is really not looking after their money wisely -- just try running two concurrent large spread sheets with a small video going on -- forget it.

    The economy is actually picking up in most places -- I'd definitely try and scrimp up that extra 350 USD -- and don't forget that the current "suggested price" for the surface 3 might be undercut (in fact probably will be) by some 3rd party independents. Ms hasn't (yet) got the physical "Bricks and Motor" type of outlets that Apple has so it's going to be a lot harder for it ALONE to supply these (and why would it want to -- more surface Pro's = more Office licenses / other products !!).

    I've been around computers a long time and believe me there's NOTHING worse than using an underpowered device - especially if you've already got used to faster processing on existing devices. Believe me that Atom processor will end up in THE TIP very quickly indeed =-- even your Grand kids (if you have any) will turn their noses up at it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I don't think you've used a late gen Atom based system recently. There isn't anything slow about them. I recently installed PhotoShop CC on one that a friend bought recently and it actually runs it quite decently.

    Thing is, i3s are sometimes WAY too much for some people. It's like seeing older people with android smartphones because the platform is simply too much for use as a communications device. Not everyone has the same needs. It would be nice to have an Atom based tablet, but a quad core ARM processor does me fine for a tablet. I don't need heavy programs to run on this, if I do I can use my 8 core desktop PC or even remotely connect to it with my Surface. Only problem with this is getting used to the touch keyboard and how for some reason, Eight Forums doesn't run so nicely....

    By the way, I can run several Excel spreadsheets on my Surface RT.

    And also, I got mine on sale at a Microsoft Store opening this past weekend for 200. That thread is coming soon all about it.
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  8. #58


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    First reviews are trickling in.



    Surface Pro 3 review - YouTube


    Looks like 8 hrs. in most use cases and another review with just web surfing got 8:55 hrs.

    I must get this now. It's just too freaking amazing.
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  9. #59


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    more than a tablet, less than a laptop
    Microsoft Surface Pro 3 review - CNET
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4wd View Post
    more than a tablet, less than a laptop
    Microsoft Surface Pro 3 review - CNET
    That's the thing the 12" screen coupled with the keyboard attachment (which is another $130 I might add) and (U) series Haswell processors makes the Surface 3 Pro just that, though I have to say the tablet does look very nice.

    Where as the Asus T200 is just a tablet with a keyboard dock mainly for Office 2013 (very likely bundled), web browsers if one prefers a keyboard and maybe some older games that maps the controls to keyboard keys.
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