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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 announcement

  1. #21


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    ^^^ Agree, hardly any real contender as a laptop replacement IMO. From the article mentionned in post above:
    "the crucial flaw in the Surface design – its lack of a firm hinge"

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  2. #22


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there

    I tend not to use a laptop "On a lap". On a long distance train there's usually a table with a power socket (at least on long distance Continental trains in W.Europe) so putting a laptop "on a Lap" isn't a requirement for me. Sitting Cattle or even Business class on most airlines - using a computer IMO isn't an option - unless the flight is empty there's never enough room -- especially if you are reasonably large like me and unfortunately forced into not having an Aisle seat. On the very few occasions I've been upgraded to ist class - I'm too busy quaffing Champagne etc to have to worry about using a laptop.

    The more I look at this "tablet" the more I think it might actually work -- and "Horsey --Horsey" was OK tonight -- a few more of those and I'll have the money to try one of these things !!!!! - Don't though rely on Betfair for a quick injection of cash to fund your purchases though !!!! --OK for "Play money".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #23


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    If I can say so myself, that is a damn fine looking tablet! Wow! They definitely stepped it up a notch!

    But if I needed 800 dollars of tablet, the Surface line up is still my first choice; but for now my new minted first gen Surface RT does me fine.

    Also, you can see how many people here wouldn't be able to run a business successfully with tablets and the such. Microsoft makes very little on the tablets themselves, it's all in the accessories like the $130 keyboard that probably only costs about 30 to make. The Surface tablets are inherently expensive because, at least the first gen, have over 200 CUSTOM designed parts. There are no Intel reference boards used here, nor common tablet parts like the displays for example; all custom designed. This means the production costs are higher and as a result, higher prices. The third gen does change this some but again, things just shifted around. Instead of an i5 and 10.6 inch display, it's and i3 and 12 inch ultra high resolution display.

    I like them, but the side Start button right next to the Charms might get tedious.
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  4. #24


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    I use a tray, hard solid top with a soft cushion on the underside. I don't have to worry about blocking the cooling vents and its very comfortable on the legs. It works very well when I'm stretched out in my Lazy Boy recliner.
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    They would have to cut the prices in half for me to even consider getting one now
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  6. #26


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    Nice but too rich for my blood!
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  7. #27


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there

    The ist generation(s) of products are usually expensive - prices will come down -- I remember my first CD player - physical Hi-Fi one not a computer CD player (a device that's all but obsolete now) -- cost me around 2500 USD in todays money. Today any self respecting burgular wouldn't even LOOK at one. !!

    The sheer thinness of the Ms tablet makes it a very desirable piece of equipment -- with the docking station and external monitor I could easily envisage using one of these at work. Things like the Charms bar or whatever are probably an irrelevance -- I'd probably be using something like WIN 7 on it or hopefully Windows 9 where the desktop aspects would be far more emphasized than touch.

    The beauty of this over a laptop is the sheer portability and decent screen --and above all long battery life --but with the i7 model I wonder -- a lot of power in a small space --wonder how much heat it generates.

    As for a decent Stand -- would probably take even the "bodgiest" DIY person around 30 mins to cut and bend a solid piece of aluminium which would give you all the rigidity you want if you want to stand the tablet up so the screen is vertical rather than horizontal on the desk. Add a couple of strips of Velcro to the desk and the base of your "Stand" and it would be RIGID too.


    (Piece of aluminium, couple of strips of Velcro, jaw vice, hacksaw, decent mallet and a file are probably all the tools you need to construct such a holder !!!).

    I'd use a remote wireless "Classical keyboard" and mouse for using this as a PC.

    The more I look at this piece of kit from Ms the more I like it - I might even become a "Fanboi" of it too. -- Still need a few more "Horsey Horsey" luck before I can really get one -- but maybe XMAS isn't TOO far away !!.

    I'd like to see if Linux runs on it too !!! Linux mint works fine on some Touch screen Laptops --I've had no trouble using the On screen keyboard with Windows VM's.

    One note to Ms -- (apart from making it cheaper) --PLEASE oh PLEASE could you introduce SCREEN MIRRORING -- if you've ever used this on a mobile phone you know how useful it is --I've played fully blown Power point demos on to a smart TV without needing any HDMI cables etc at work presentations -- much easier than carting a PC with all the cables around and connecting up to the TV and fiddling with resolutions etc.

    Now which Bank can I rob -- I think I WANT one of these. !!! (Our Banks BTW don't have any money left so I'd have to do it elsewhere !!!!!).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by ARC1020 View Post
    3:2 ratio seems a bit stupid.

    I was never a fan of 16:9 as I always thought a more square format such as 3:2 would have been about right (and don't even get me started on broadcasters transmitting movies in even wider aspect ratios than 16:9). However, 16:9 was pretty much the chosen ratio and therefore became the most widely used aspect ratio in part because of full screen video. So now Microsoft decide to change to 3:2?

    They should just stick to 16:9, so people can watch fullscreen video without black bars, especially as some people will be using it as both a tablet and connecting it to a larger monitor on their desk. Most monitors are usually 16:9 or 16:1, whereas 3:2 sits in no-mans land. I also don't get the point of the high resolution on such a small screen.
    It's a device meant for work. If you're going to watch widescreen video on your tablet you can get a decent and much lighter Android tablet for a fraction of the price. I think Microsoft made the right call here.
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  9. #29


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    Hi there.

    A lot of people are looking at the Surface PRO as a "Consumer device" -- which IMO is a mistake.

    This so far looks like a WELL ENGINEERED piece of kit (possibly the stand could do with a tweak) that would fit decently into any modern business -- especially with the docking station.

    Whatever people say about the decline of the desktop etc -- WORK unfortunately is NOT going to go away -- at least I don't think in my lifetime. For Work with any sort of design / production / research projects you need a PC like environment which allows decent multi-tasking and many concurrent windows - not a kiddy type of OS which still is basically designed around using a single full screen small application (although 8.1 does make a few improvments in that area).

    Provided the surface pro is rugged enough for hard office use I can see a LOT of these in a corporate / enterprise setting. Remember also these can easily use decent external monitors too. Ms might be starting slowly here but they actually have a SERIOUS WINNER with this one.

    A lot of consultants too get PC's or whatever supplied by their organisations - who also get tax and capital allowances if they spend money on this type of kit.

    We'd all wish for it to be cheaper -- and maybe once its been out for a while some 3rd party discounters might go for this.

    I think also Ms has finally got one over "The Fruit Company" -- for a workplace the Surface Pro looks far better and capable than an iPad. This device also LOOKS great from the pics I've seen -- I think it even looks better than the MacBook pro which was a pretty amazing device (even at its wallet busting price).

    I just hope the thin glass doesn't break to easily when put into a typical laptop type bag. !!

    I'll bet by XMAS - especially if the economy starts picking up Ms will have sold far more of these than with their previous efforts - and the "Whisper on the Street" is that RT is actually on the way out anyway. Makes sense -- Ms concentrate on what you do best - and by all means adapt hardware to it - but don't waste time on silly 7 inch tablets or other "toys".

    The "Whisper on the Street" is that RT isn't actually much longer for this world --this was a big mistake - possible a legacy from the Ballmer days. Don't expect a long term future for RT. Ms will concentrate its mobile efforts in the Windows phone while it will go big time for the enterprise market with products like the Surface Pro before "The Fruit Company" can come out with anything competitive.

    Ms is a bit like the old KGB -- takes a long time to react - but when it does !!!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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