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  1. #121



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I've just "Pre-Ordered" mine -- gone for the full blown I7 version.


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    jimbo
    What a co-inkydink, I just pre-cancelled mine...!!
    why?

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  2. #122


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    Quote Originally Posted by robinb9 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I've just "Pre-Ordered" mine -- gone for the full blown I7 version.


    Cheers
    jimbo
    What a co-inkydink, I just pre-cancelled mine...!!
    why?
    Seriously...???

    It was a funny...
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    To just completely detract this thread, someone found out that ios 8 has code for the EXACT same multitasking setup Windows 8.1 has. It is expected to be either released at official launch or even as ios 8.1. How bloody ironic.

    This is why we use Surface Pros and Windows. Because apparently, Microsoft's doing everything first now. What a world we live in.
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  4. #124


    Apple hasn't released said feature as they want to make it intuitive. Running 2 apps isn't revolutionary, computers have done it forever. I wouldn't consider this copying what other tablets do, I would say it's making tablets do what people have done with computers for years. And considering the surface pro is more like a computer than a tablet, I would expect nothing less.
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  5. #125


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    yeah naaaaa. I find those prices ridiculous.
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  6. #126


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    Hi there.

    There doesn't seem to be any reason from the spec as to why one couldn't install Linux or any other OS running on an INTEL platform if you want to.

    The OS isn't as a lot of people seem to think hard wired into the BIOS but boots from the internal SSD. The only problem *might* be if the tablet BIOS won't allow protected boot to be disabled -- which I don't think it would -- if you couldn't disable protected boot it would mean you couldn't boot stand alone backup programs etc.

    So the "being forced into the "Windows eco system" is no more valid for this device as it is for any other Intel based PC.

    Prices IMO are also no worse (or actually slightly better) than APPLE's for this type of hardware -- and you always pay a premium for ultra miniaturisation / portability.

    Remember also the target market is aimed at working Pros rather than casual home users / hobbyists. A lot of working pros will have equipment provided for them by their workplace / or at least some part of it will be subsidized plus of course you can get some tax relief also on capital allowances etc if you are running a business / free lance consultant.

    That's not to say that we would PREFER cheaper prices -- I could say the same about Real estate, Ferrari's, and a whole host of other things. If the device doesn't sell at the price point then discounts might be available but from what I can see a lot of my colleagues (most of whom have NEVER considered a tablet) are certainly looking with interest at this device.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    There doesn't seem to be any reason from the spec as to why one couldn't install Linux or any other OS running on an INTEL platform if you want to.

    The OS isn't as a lot of people seem to think hard wired into the BIOS but boots from the internal SSD. The only problem *might* be if the tablet BIOS won't allow protected boot to be disabled -- which I don't think it would -- if you couldn't disable protected boot it would mean you couldn't boot stand alone backup programs etc.

    So the "being forced into the "Windows eco system" is no more valid for this device as it is for any other Intel based PC.

    Prices IMO are also no worse (or actually slightly better) than APPLE's for this type of hardware -- and you always pay a premium for ultra miniaturisation / portability.

    Remember also the target market is aimed at working Pros rather than casual home users / hobbyists. A lot of working pros will have equipment provided for them by their workplace / or at least some part of it will be subsidized plus of course you can get some tax relief also on capital allowances etc if you are running a business / free lance consultant.

    That's not to say that we would PREFER cheaper prices -- I could say the same about Real estate, Ferrari's, and a whole host of other things. If the device doesn't sell at the price point then discounts might be available but from what I can see a lot of my colleagues (most of whom have NEVER considered a tablet) are certainly looking with interest at this device.


    Cheers
    jimbo
    My only problem with your logic is that Microsoft is selling the Surface 3 as a laptop replacement, when it is sized more as a netbook replacement. Granted, the i7 would be like putting a 700cc engine on a moped. Yea it's fast as crap, but it's still a moped. Inches matters when it comes to screen size. a 13 inch minimum, to match Mac's smallest laptop, would have made more sense. Maybe it's the weight issue, but for me, if it is a laptop replacement, I will take the additional ounces for the larger screen.

    I would not pay the money for a Mac, but equally I wouldn't for the Surface either, especially with cheaper well built Windows options. I personally just wish Microsoft would build smaller form factors to encourage more development of Modern UI apps. These apps lag very far behind their siblings on Android and Apple. It isn't just an age issue. If you look at the upgrade efforts of apps, Windows lags far behind. I know because I track my Android app updates and my Modern UI updates for those same apps. As long as there isn't the hardware to drive the demand for Modern UI, it will flounder as developers focus where the users are in this space, and today the users are on Android, for great cheap small form factor hardware, and Apple, which is for now the standard from which all this is built.
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  8. #128


    People are flocking to tablets from desktops and laptops. Many only needing the internet for social media, email, and videos anymore.

    MS positions this as a laptop replacement because it's not going to replace netbooks that people own, it will replace their laptops. And it's smaller size allows them to take it with them, even easier than with a laptop. For those who want to really work, they will dock and use a second monitor.

    I still like laptop and will continue using one. Easier to type on while sitting on your lap. Although surface pro 3 is better in that respect, it doesn't have the same rigidity of a laptop. But I love the pen aspect, that is certainly something lacking in all laptops I have used.
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  9. #129


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    Hi there
    The "Tablet" analogy just doesn't wash -- with a docking station you can attach a WHOLE SLEW of peripherals including a whopping 60 inch monitor if you want plus any type of external keyboard.

    Why couldn't this be used as a decent laptop alternative -- with an SSD, 8GB RAM and an i7 processor it would run RINGS around most of the currently available laptops -- and have infinitely better graphics too -- however some people will never read the specs and just have no clue about the possibilities this device has.

    Added to which -- those who compare this with a Netbook of any kind are just displaying such a pitiful ignorance of the subject that it really is hardly worth while even to BOTHER making any intelligent replies.

    I KNOW that for a lot of travelling working pros this device WILL work - and work very well too and if you still think it's expensive it's HUGELY cheaper than having to buy a DECENT laptop AND an iPad. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #130


    Quote Originally Posted by antspants View Post
    yeah naaaaa. I find those prices ridiculous.
    More than fair for the hardware. Right in line with the Apple MacBook Pro prices, right in line with the PC ultrabooks. You get anywhere near the specs that the Surface Pro 3 has, you are in this price range.

    Unfortunately, there aren't any value options. Just like Apple. There are no lower end, lower performance, bargain machines.
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