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Microsoft as a Subscription?

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  • Yes, Great idea, could make things a bit cheaper in the long run

    4 4.40%
  • No, horrible idea, WTH are they thinking?

    68 74.73%
  • Maybe, Depends on the features and price

    19 20.88%
  1. #51


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
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    Hi there

    Seriously the "Torrent" comment was meant to be taken as a totally NON serious comic comment. !!! However the HUP (Home use Program) is a very worthwhile alternative to subscription services if you qualify, otherwise Home and Student editions (2007/2010)are still a LOT cheaper than the PRO Office 365 subscription version -- especially if say you only want Powerpoint, Excel and Word. Ms Access IMO isn't worth paying extra for the "PRO" version and there are literally 100's of excellent FREE email clients if you don't HAVE to have Outlook.

    Office 2003 STILL works fine (12 years after introduction -- that's 12 * 100 = 1200 saved in Fees) - Office 2003 std edition was about 50 USD if I remember.

    Office 2007 / 2010 will still work well into the indefinite future -- how many people actually USE the new features (such as they are) in typical office environments. For HOME users these "features" are probably even more irrelevant .

    For businesses the subscription idea makes Sense as it handles easily the hassles of Licences - especially those wretched "By Seat" things which always seem to run out when you get a few temporary workers on site and guarantees up to date and consistent software across an enterprise.

    For Home users it's a slippery slope -- you know - like those Banks that advertise what are in the industry known as "Sucker Deals" - new customers are offered almost Loss Leader type of deals and once they are "suckered in" the prices rise astronomically and the poor customers have to stay as quitting the deal costs them a lot too.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #52


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    I have the stand alone version of Office 2013 and the version listed in Programs and Features is 15.0.4605.1003, which came through the normal Win updates. So I presume I have SP1?
    Not sure if you’re being facetious here or not, but I’ll take it this and your next post is just a general complaint. Yes, according to the site page I linked you do indeed have SP1. On the other hand, some did not receive the February SP1 via update for it was included with the post-February install via download such as mine or included on current install media.

    I also have Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 stand alone versions, and frankly the number of features in each succeeding version seems to have consistently diminished.

    Even from 2010 to 2013 one such feature missing is the ability to edit pictures with Office Picture Manager. In MS Office Tools in 2010 there are 6 available. But in 2013 only 2.
    I see Tepid answered some in his post. The “Insert” tab alone has a multitude of new features. Not sure what I missed in the intermediate releases for I jumped from Office 2000 Pro to 2013 Pro, so there’s a lot added that I see. Some of the items are what I’m assuming are Office 365 features such as the Store and apps. I installed the Bing dictionary and translator which I find helpful. I see they are cloud-centric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Might as well go subscription. They're turning over these OSs faster than you could build a high-rise lately.

    Teed me off that I bought 8 Pro disk then turn around a year later only to release 8.1 via the Store. There my disk sits collecting dust. Hopefully one of my grandchildren might appreciate it some day.
    100% And rather than download over 3GB to install the store version of 8.1 every time I want to do a fresh install ... and then another 800+ MB for 8.1 update via Win updates ... I just went out and bought the 8.1 Pro OEM disc from a retail store. At least now all I need to download is the 800+ MB for 8.1.1 update.

    And likewise my W8 Pro disc sits on the shelf gathering dust, as useless as tits on a bull.
    Not sure why MS is going the Store-install route other than attempting to control piracy. Not a very good means to do so, for I think it promotes it all the more. Hopefully this will change soon. At least give us an ISO download via an MS account.

    I even offered my son my old PC free with the original W8 Pro loaded onto it with the 8.1 and 8.1.1 updates already installed ... and he didn't want it, even for free!!! He just went out and bought an Apple iPad. And still uses W7 Ultimate on his desktop tower for serious work.
    To each their own I guess. Some may never want to adopt to the “new way”. We all need to find our own way.

    As for subscriptions ... what planet you come from? I mean ... SERIOUSLY! Even on my iPhone i5s the so called free games ... HA HA! ... from the Apple App Store, can't be successfully completed without spending hundreds of $$$$. Just one example is "Deer Hunter", where you need to spend at least $200+ to get all the guns needed to finish the hunts.
    Well, it looks like planet Earth, but looking more like Mars. I voted maybe to wait and see more info. The gist of my post was that if they’re releasing OSs at a faster pace, then a subscription may be cheaper for me. For one that plans to not upgrade or a collector of OSs it may be different. We must keep in mind that everything is situational. What may work for some, might not work for others. Buying any kind of unit to live in at an older age tying up assets may not be as wise as someone younger investing for future gains. Age is a tremendous factor in life decisions.
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  3. #53


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Home and Student editions (2007/2010)are still a LOT cheaper than the PRO Office 365 subscription version -- especially if say you only want Powerpoint, Excel and Word.
    I've said it a few times, if you only need 1 copy of the software and just need Excel, PowerPoint and Word than the standalone might be the better way to go. It's when you need a few installs or want something like Outlook, Publisher or Access that the Office365 system becomes more of a nobrainer.

    A quick look at Amazon today shows a 3 pack of Office 2010 Home and Student is $273. You might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere, but I'm always leary of these cheap computer house software resellers
    Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Home & Student 2010 Family Pack, 3PC (Disc Version): Software.

    If you opt for the 2013 version, a single user/1pc install of Home and Office is $139. http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Offi...me+and+student


    And don't forget we have multiple subscriptions too
    • A 4 year student subscription for up to 2 devices is $79.95 (total)
    • Office 365 personal allows 1 install on PC/Mac and 1 install on Tablet, and is $6.99 month or $69.99 for a year
    • Office 365 home allows 5 installs on PC/Mac, and 5 installs on Tablets, and is $9.99 month or $99.99 for a year



    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Office 2003 STILL works fine (12 years after introduction -- that's 12 * 100 = 1200 saved in Fees) - Office 2003 std edition was about 50 USD if I remember.
    I don't ever recall Office being that cheap. I'd put that price at least at $200.


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    For Home users it's a slippery slope -- you know - like those Banks that advertise what are in the industry known as "Sucker Deals" - new customers are offered almost Loss Leader type of deals and once they are "suckered in" the prices rise astronomically and the poor customers have to stay as quitting the deal costs them a lot too.
    As a home user, you do have to evaluation your situation. I think a lot of people "pirate" Office because they think they need it, and everybody else they know has it. Many of these people could probably get by just fine with OpenOffice/LibreOffice or tools like Google Docs. Also, with office.com available many can use the free web based versions of Word and Excel for their most basic needs.
    If you have a need for the product, only need 1 copy and are happy staying on the older releases, buying it is the way to go. If on the other hand, you have a need for multiple copies, have kids in school, multiple device types and need to keep up, the subscription should certainly be evaluated.
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  4. #54


    New Zealand
    Posts : 91
    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    When Office 2013 first came out I worked out this spreadsheet, comparing the upgrade costs to 2013. I currently have Office 2010 Pro X 1 and H&S x 3.

    I only use Excel and Word and need at least one commercial license because I am self employed and use it for business. I have 3 computers. My mobile needs are taken care of with Polaris Office on my S4.

    The attached costs are in NZ dollars and give the cost up until 2010 when Office 2010 no longer receives security updates. I decided to stick to Office 2010.

    Stand Alone Subscription
    Seats Seats
    Small Business 1 360.7 1 229.08
    Home premium x 2 2 362.14 5 165
    1 Year 722.84 394.08
    Cost till 2020 722.84 2758.56
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  5. #55


    Posts : 902
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    When Office 2013 first came out I worked out this spreadsheet, comparing the upgrade costs to 2013. I currently have Office 2010 Pro X 1 and H&S x 3.

    I only use Excel and Word and need at least one commercial license because I am self employed and use it for business. I have 3 computers. My mobile needs are taken care of with Polaris Office on my S4.

    The attached costs are in NZ dollars and give the cost up until 2010 when Office 2010 no longer receives security updates. I decided to stick to Office 2010.

    Stand Alone Subscription
    Seats Seats
    Small Business 1 360.7 1 229.08
    Home premium x 2 2 362.14 5 165
    1 Year 722.84 394.08
    Cost till 2020 722.84 2758.56

    Well of course it's more. Nobody could really possibly believe that this would be a way to save money.... could they....???

    It boggles the mind.
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  6. #56


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    One must think of the possible security flaws in using out of date software. If you don't run a 10 year old OS, you shouldn't be running 10 year old software.

    Office 2003 is a good example. You can use it to your heart's content all you want, but not only are you missing a TON of features from a newer version, you can easily expose yourself to security flaws in Outlook 2003, Excel 2003, SharePoint 2003, so on and so forth. And yes, you may think not using a newer version may not expose you to those security flaws, but tell that to everyone who used Windows xp when newer versions were available to use but were chosen not to be.
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  7. #57


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    When Office 2013 first came out I worked out this spreadsheet, comparing the upgrade costs to 2013. I currently have Office 2010 Pro X 1 and H&S x 3.

    I only use Excel and Word and need at least one commercial license because I am self employed and use it for business. I have 3 computers. My mobile needs are taken care of with Polaris Office on my S4.

    The attached costs are in NZ dollars and give the cost up until 2010 when Office 2010 no longer receives security updates. I decided to stick to Office 2010.

    Stand Alone Subscription
    Seats Seats
    Small Business 1 360.7 1 229.08
    Home premium x 2 2 362.14 5 165
    1 Year 722.84 394.08
    Cost till 2020 722.84 2758.56

    Well of course it's more. Nobody could really possibly believe that this would be a way to save money.... could they....???

    It boggles the mind.
    You may need to change that some because Office 365's standalone equivalent is Office 2013 Pro Plus, a $500 suite per PC; let alone the fact there is Office 365 Enterprise pricing plans.

    Compare Office 365 for business plans

    For an office of about 25 or fewer workings, to run Office 365 annually would cost $60 USD before national theft. Of course, this includes the OneDrive storage, Outlook, all the fun stuff like public website hosting.

    So in your specific case, you could EASILY run Office 365 Small Business until 2020 for a NZD sum of 417.60 before any national theft.

    Or if you felt that if since you're self-employed, having 25 seats of Office is by far too rich (even though you could rent out those seats for like five dollars per year); there is Office 365 Personal. Annual NZD cost: 487.13

    Buy Microsoft Office 2013 suites and Office 365 subscriptions

    More Microsoft, fewer dollars, more global domination, less resistance.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 34
    Win7


    Honestly, this is a joke. Does anyone really think corporations are going subscription to save end users money?

    Really? Seriously? Are you on drugs?

    I'm not bashing MS here. Any company. They are doing this for you?

    Get real....
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  9. #59


    New Zealand
    Posts : 91
    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    You are right Coke. I hasn't checked the price for the business plan in a while. In NZ dollars now per year for 1 seat with TAX is $88.32. The total until 2020 would now only be $1773.24. Still a thousand dollars more than the stand alone price.

    Still planning to stick to 2010. But only because I don't particularly like the new look, and there is no new features that are of any use to me.

    If I did upgrade it would be to the stand alone products as it would still be cheaper for me to upgrade to 2013, and if prices stay the same the next version of office as well.
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  10. #60


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Rxd View Post
    Honestly, this is a joke. Does anyone really think corporations are going subscription to save end users money?

    Really? Seriously? Are you on drugs?

    I'm not bashing MS here. Any company. They are doing this for you?

    Get real....
    That's a mixed bag there. It could be yes, it could be no.

    In Microsoft's case, it's both as it makes once pricy software more available. Office is such a huge investment and I've seen people hold onto old versions because "it still works." Right, until they stop updating it for performance problems or security issues or even OS compatibility. It's definitely good for them as if you have for example Office 365, one main compilation of code is maintained. Overall, instead of having to support a few different versions of code at the same time, they can stay focused on developing for one. I'd imagine they'd be more interested in that considering a similar situation arose with Windows vista's early days of development right at the same time xp's lack of security sidetracked a lot of the process....

    Further, it's a good thing for Microsoft as it means more Office, meaning probably the same revenue maybe more, and at such a low annual cost it can definitely continue to stomp out competition like google docs.

    It might not be good for the end user as if they don't renew their subscription on time, no Office for you. But right now, you have like 30 days to renew before it's expired and can't be used for creation or editing. If the consumer doesn't get the correct version for their needs, they may over spend versus standalone.

    If this were Adobe, I'd say no, this isn't good for anyone. Their CC pricing plans make no sense, there's month-to-month, prepaid, existing customers, and then full suite packages. Microsoft so far has really done a fine job with Office 365 and making it simple as mud to figure out while still being a great proposition for sure.

    Standalone has its benefits, subscription has its benefits. It all comes down to what best suits your needs. Some will stick with standalone as that's what makes sense for them, some will do subscription as it makes the best sense for them. Some might even stick with the cloud version, Office Online, as that's even better for them. Free, basic, and works.
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