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  • Yes, Great idea, could make things a bit cheaper in the long run

    4 4.40%
  • No, horrible idea, WTH are they thinking?

    68 74.73%
  • Maybe, Depends on the features and price

    19 20.88%
  1. #41


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    But let's look at how Microsoft reap's the benefits here.

    In a perfect world, without piracy, people would be spending
    1. $139 per copy for Office 2013 Home and Student: Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2013 (1PC/1User) [Download]: Software
    2. $219 per copy for Office 2013 Home and Business if they needed Outlook: Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Home and Business 2013 (1PC/1User) [Download]: Software
    3. $399 per copy for Office 2013 Professional if they need Outlook, Access and Publisher. Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Professional 2013 (1PC/1User) [Download]: Software


    So, instead, Microsoft says, OK with an Office 365 subscription, you get 5 installs of Office 2013 Pro ($399 per copy retail), and you can share these with your friends and family if you like. This will only cost you $99 per year for the 5 installs. So, $20 per copy/year. Now, had MS sold 5 copies at retails they stood to make $399 x 5 = $1,995. Instead, at $99 a year, it would take them 20.15 years to get that revenue.

    But what they do get, is subscriptions from those who might have been set on pirating 2 copies of Office 2013 Professional (as they weren't going to pay $399 x 2). Instead, these people might buy the subscription for $99, then keep 2 copies for themselves and sell off the remaining installs to friends and family for $20 a pop. So, instead of paying $800 for 2 copies of Office Pro, they spend out of pocket about $40 a year. Takes em 20 years to make up that difference.

    The subscription gets you 5 installs, it gets you web versions, it's gets you more OneDrive space, it gets you Skype minutes, it gets you a portal where you can share and control your shared installs. It keeps you on the latest versions of the software, etc. All for $99 a year. Seems like an absolute bargain to me, espeically with as much as you guys seem to bag on Open Office/LibreOffice for not being anywhere near as good as Microsoft office.

    And don't forgot, if you want 1 copy to have and hold for the next 10 years and you "only need word and excel", you can still buy the $139 straight up software license and do it that way. In that case, the subscription makes no sense, as you need very limited products, and at $99 per year, you would exceed the cost in just over a year. Of course, you could buy Office 365 for $99 a year, and then install 1 copy with more features than you would have had before, and you could sell your other 4 copies to friends/family for $80 a year and then your out of pocket would be $20 a year. At that rate, you would still be ahead for 7 years compared to buying a copy for $139.
    Exactly. Office 365 is such a steal, it's literally no wonder why many enterprises and government agencies in the past couple of years have been switching to it and have no regrets. Five PCs, 20 dollars per seat of Office, every year.

    It's not only a good thing for the end user, it's a good thing for Microsoft as well. It means a steady flow of subscriptions, steady flow of revenue, and a steady flow of updates as well for the end user. Office 2013 users didn't get a new feature in Excel recently with the SP1 update. Office 365 users did.

    Also, if you just need Word and Excel, Office Online is the best and free alternative to use. Just need a Microsoft Account, you're all set.

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  2. #42


    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Does the EULA allow "sub-letting" your subscription?
    It sure does, they even have a page on how to do it: Share Office 365 Home with up to four people in your household - support

    Now, it talks about sharing it with your household, but they recently changed the process such that you send out an email to whomever. Hence, they don't care.


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I don't think I know a single person irl who has ever bought a copy of Office.
    And here in lies the reason why so many don't want subscription based software. They might have to actually cough up some money. It always cracks me up when somebody lambastes OpenOffice/LibreOffice as not being nearly good enough, but then they don't have the scruples to actually pay for Microsoft Office which they clearly think is better. If it's sooo much better, would it not be worth paying for? I guess not for those adament that they are switching to another OS and office suite if/when subscription software comes around.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    That's what Torrents are for !!!!!!!
    No, No, No. Don't steal commercial software people. Use the great freebie apps which are available out there. if those aren't good enough for your needs, then PAY for the product that is. My goodness, they are making Office 365 so cheap, I don't even think it needs to garner more than 5 seconds of thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Seriously you USED to be able to get Office 2007 Enterprise as a Use at Home feature from a lot of workplaces / colleges for just the price of the DVD media (around 5 USD I think)- although you were meant to stop using it if you changed jobs -- few did though.
    The Home Use Program (HUP) still exists. You just have to work for a compoany who maintains "Software Assurance" on their Enterprise agreement. The only prices I have seen are $9.99 and $19.99. Yes, if you are no longer employed with the company, you are required by the EULA to remove the software.
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  3. #43


    I have Office 2003 on many computers here. It works fine and meets our needs.

    It's 2014. We bought that version of office over a decade ago. . .That is why software companies are pushing the subscription model.

    And NO, the PC is not dead, but software companies would probably like them to be. Get everyone on controlled subscription devices.
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  4. #44


    Posts : 86
    Windows 8.1 Pro & OS X Mavericks


    Glad I don't pay Microsoft a single dime. The things that they come up with lol. Windows and Office are part of the DreamSpark program from my university so I get legit copies for free. Subscriptions are a huge no in my book. I will take my computing needs to where M$ doesn't shine if they change Windows into subscription only.
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  5. #45


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Office 2013 users didn't get a new feature in Excel recently with the SP1 update. Office 365 users did.
    I think stand-alones did indeed get SP1. I have stand-alone Office Pro 2013 and checked to make sure. My version is 15.0.4605.1003, therefore higher than what's listed below.

    In order to determine whether SP1 is already installed, you can look for the program version in the list of installed programs in the Programs and Features Control Panel item. If SP1 is installed, the version will be 15.0.4569.1506 or higher. Additionally, if you have installed the SP1 update for a Windows Installer (MSI) product, SP1 will be listed in Installed Updates in that same Control Panel item.
    Description of Microsoft Office 2013 Service Pack 1 (SP1)
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  6. #46


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    I have the stand alone version of Office 2013 and the version listed in Programs and Features is 15.0.4605.1003, which came through the normal Win updates. So I presume I have SP1?

    I also have Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 stand alone versions, and frankly the number of features in each succeeding version seems to have consistently diminished.

    Even from 2010 to 2013 one such feature missing is the ability to edit pictures with Office Picture Manager. In MS Office Tools in 2010 there are 6 available. But in 2013 only 2.

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    Last edited by Mustang; 29 Apr 2014 at 20:50.
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  7. #47


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Might as well go subscription. They're turning over these OSs faster than you could build highrise lately.

    Teed me off that I bought 8 Pro disk then turn around a year later only to release 8.1 via the Store. There my disk sits collecting dust. Hopefully one of my grandchildren might appreciate it some day.
    100% And rather than download over 3GB to install the store version of 8.1 every time I want to do a fresh install ... and then another 800+ MB for 8.1 update via Win updates ... I just went out and bought the 8.1 Pro OEM disc from a retail store. At least now all I need to download is the 800+ MB for 8.1.1 update.

    And likewise my W8 Pro disc sits on the shelf gathering dust, as useless as tits on a bull.

    I even offered my son my old PC free with the original W8 Pro loaded onto it with the 8.1 and 8.1.1 updates already installed ... and he didn't want it, even for free!!! He just went out and bought an Apple iPad. And still uses W7 Ultimate on his desktop tower for serious work.

    As for subscriptions ... what planet you come from? I mean ... SERIOUSLY! Even on my iPhone i5s the so called free games ... HA HA! ... from the Apple App Store, can't be successfully completed without spending hundreds of $$$$. Just one example is "Deer Hunter", where you need to spend at least $200+ to get all the guns needed to finish the hunts.
    Last edited by Mustang; 29 Apr 2014 at 20:52.
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  8. #48


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Yeah, I hate the Nickle and Dime Games on Phones. I won't install them
    Or If I get suckered in, will play them to the point that I can't go any further and then delete them. But I generally don't install them period.

    But the MS thing is not the same thing.

    The Clipart stuff has been moved internally and is actually located on the MS Servers now.
    The Photo Manager I think has been integrated with Windows 8 in general under Photos.
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  9. #49


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Nope.

    They just don't have Office. No need or use for it.

    I own the aparment I am sitting in now. That is because it makes more sense to buy it for $800,000 than pay rent for it every month forever. That would be lunacy, money down the drain.

    It is an apartment, technically there is a lease with certain conditions, that does not mean I am renting it. Pay it for it once, that is all.

    There are a few situations where renting works - typically when you are only going to use something for a short period. Renting a holiday apartnment might make sense , because you may only want it for for a week.

    I don't know if you really can't understand what is going on here, or if you are being deliberately misleading.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Which people?

    I don't think I know a single person irl who has ever bought a copy of Office.

    Edit - correction - I do know one person who has.
    You must hang around some unscrupulous people....
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  10. #50


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Does the EULA allow "sub-letting" your subscription?
    It sure does, they even have a page on how to do it: Share Office 365 Home with up to four people in your household - support

    Now, it talks about sharing it with your household, but they recently changed the process such that you send out an email to whomever. Hence, they don't care.
    Yup noted there is no specific restriction on resale of whole or part of the product...leaves it open to abuse though.... theoretically then given - your scenario - one could charge, say those requiring a single installation only, 50 bucks and make a handsome 100 bucks profit - seems M$ should re-look at this or offer personal subscriptions at 20 bucks a pop...?

    BTW Seems Home is $79,99(5 PC's + 5 tablets) and Personal $59.99 (1 PC + 1 tablet)

    Source:


    Edit: Above pricing may be forex dependant ... I converted page from ZA to US...to get $ amounts..(Sorry for any confusion... Web developers do this kind of thing..LOL)
    Last edited by Superfly; 30 Apr 2014 at 04:01.
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