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  • Yes, Great idea, could make things a bit cheaper in the long run

    4 4.40%
  • No, horrible idea, WTH are they thinking?

    68 74.73%
  • Maybe, Depends on the features and price

    19 20.88%
  1. #31


    But let's look at how Microsoft reap's the benefits here.

    In a perfect world, without piracy, people would be spending
    1. $139 per copy for Office 2013 Home and Student: Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2013 (1PC/1User) [Download]: Software
    2. $219 per copy for Office 2013 Home and Business if they needed Outlook: Amazon.com: Microsoft Office Home and Business 2013 (1PC/1User) [Download]: Software
    3. $399 per copy for Office 2013 Professional if they need Outlook, Access and Publisher. http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Offi...3+professional


    So, instead, Microsoft says, OK with an Office 365 subscription, you get 5 installs of Office 2013 Pro ($399 per copy retail), and you can share these with your friends and family if you like. This will only cost you $99 per year for the 5 installs. So, $20 per copy/year. Now, had MS sold 5 copies at retails they stood to make $399 x 5 = $1,995. Instead, at $99 a year, it would take them 20.15 years to get that revenue.

    But what they do get, is subscriptions from those who might have been set on pirating 2 copies of Office 2013 Professional (as they weren't going to pay $399 x 2). Instead, these people might buy the subscription for $99, then keep 2 copies for themselves and sell off the remaining installs to friends and family for $20 a pop. So, instead of paying $800 for 2 copies of Office Pro, they spend out of pocket about $40 a year. Takes em 20 years to make up that difference.

    The subscription gets you 5 installs, it gets you web versions, it's gets you more OneDrive space, it gets you Skype minutes, it gets you a portal where you can share and control your shared installs. It keeps you on the latest versions of the software, etc. All for $99 a year. Seems like an absolute bargain to me, espeically with as much as you guys seem to bag on Open Office/LibreOffice for not being anywhere near as good as Microsoft office.

    And don't forgot, if you want 1 copy to have and hold for the next 10 years and you "only need word and excel", you can still buy the $139 straight up software license and do it that way. In that case, the subscription makes no sense, as you need very limited products, and at $99 per year, you would exceed the cost in just over a year. Of course, you could buy Office 365 for $99 a year, and then install 1 copy with more features than you would have had before, and you could sell your other 4 copies to friends/family for $80 a year and then your out of pocket would be $20 a year. At that rate, you would still be ahead for 7 years compared to buying a copy for $139.

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  2. #32


    Does the EULA allow "sub-letting" your subscription?
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  3. #33


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    Which people?

    I don't think I know a single person irl who has ever bought a copy of Office.

    Edit - correction - I do know one person who has.
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  4. #34


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    When I set up computer systems for some of my friends MS security becomes a real pain. You need to set up Microsoft account to log on and that requires you answer a telephone that provides you with a code to enter. Unfortunately I don't have that telephone so I need to set myself up on their machine. I am not sure what will happen when I delete myself.

    Subscribing to MS Office for another person is a real pain too, I don't want it to auto-renew on my credit card. MS recommends for me to pay for the year and then immediately unsubscribe. Their subscription will be good until it expires in a year. I will try that soon but I think their subscription system may have problems with one user paying for the subscription of another user. I may have to log on as the other owner to unsubscribe!

    Yes, I could install the trial and let them figure out how to subscribe and pay but the people I am helping need a lot of help!
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  5. #35


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    but the people I am helping need a lot of help
    Why would they want a copy of Office? What do they use it for?
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  6. #36


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    Outlook for e-mail, Word for opening MS documents, excel for spreadsheets, etc. I realize they don't need them and can use programs that are free, the problem is me, when they ask for my help and that happens often, I don't want to have to learn all those other programs.

    Same for the operating system. Some of these people I am helping are seniors and they want the cheapest system possible but they seem to choke when I give them Ubuntu, Firefox, Open Office and Thunderbird. :-(
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Which people?

    I don't think I know a single person irl who has ever bought a copy of Office.

    Edit - correction - I do know one person who has.
    Hi there.

    That's what Torrents are for !!!!!!!

    Seriously you USED to be able to get Office 2007 Enterprise as a Use at Home feature from a lot of workplaces / colleges for just the price of the DVD media (around 5 USD I think)- although you were meant to stop using it if you changed jobs -- few did though.

    Office 2010 Student and Teacher edition worked on 3 computers and was around 80 - 90 USD -- good value - probably still available if you hunt for it -- hasn't got ACCESS but that's the most SORRY excuse for a piece of Software that I've ever seen that actually has the gall to call itself a Database system -- always breaks and no real multi-user function -- rest of Office though particularly EXCEL is brilliant.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    It's funny that some want to fight subscriptions, when some found TechNet subscriptions to be a great way to obtain tons of MS software for a very cheap price.

    With OS as a service, if it was something like 15 installs to whatever device you wanted for $49 a year, I could see it having some potential. I'm sure stand alone licenses well exist for those who want to run something like XP for a decade. Of course, they well be priced less attractively.
    Seriously.

    From what I'm gathering so far, it's mostly that people don't want to front the money on a yearly basis, even though it will be a FRACTION of a perpetual license up front for continuous updates and support and versions.

    Either that, or they think they actually OWN the software. We may need to understand what the core concept of running legitimate Windows entails...

    "How can I use the software?

    We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it. Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer), for use by one person at a time, but only if you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Typically, this means you can install one copy of the software on a personal computer and then you can use the software on that computer. The software is not licensed to be used as server software or for commercial hosting - so you may not make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network. For more information on multiple user scenarios and virtualization, see the Additional Terms."

    Meaning, you DO NOT ACTUALLY OWN THE SOFTWARE. You purchase a license to run a single copy of Windows on a single PC. If the reverse was the case, IBM would own the rights of Microsoft DOS, Windows, Office, etc.

    Just because you have an install CD or DVD of Microsoft software like Windows doesn't mean you can go to Redmond and run around say you own a piece of Microsoft and therefore can make demands on what they can or cannot do; that is only if you own a piece of actual Microsoft stock.

    Furthermore, there probably will be a time where ancient software, even though with a perpetual license, can't be activated for use. If Microsoft wanted to go to the extent of this, they would have shut down their activation servers for xp so no further installs can be activated. Of course, that's not feasible but a good example I can think of is of developmental builds of Windows. Longhorn in particular, certain builds have be to installed where the machine's time is around April of 2004 to even install it. You can keep a piece of software for a decade or more, but chances are that there might not be a backend server to handle activations of such. Same happens quite often for online multiplayer games.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Does the EULA allow "sub-letting" your subscription?
    Technically speaking, yes. The main Office 365 portal allows you to control the five different PCs that can run that subscription. So if one person isn't coughing up their share of 20 dollars, you can cut them off and give it to someone else.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Which people?

    I don't think I know a single person irl who has ever bought a copy of Office.

    Edit - correction - I do know one person who has.
    You must hang around some unscrupulous people....
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