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Microsoft as a Subscription?

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  • Yes, Great idea, could make things a bit cheaper in the long run

    4 4.40%
  • No, horrible idea, WTH are they thinking?

    68 74.73%
  • Maybe, Depends on the features and price

    19 20.88%
  1. #101


    Posts : 34
    Win7


    Wth? Just post any bs here about Linux I guess.

    Are Windows fanboys really this desperate? Don't get me wrong, I am a Windows guy through and through. But posting obvious bs is just not right.

    bash linux with facts, not bs...

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  2. #102


    Well, there are often issues with Linux and updates. No doubt about it. However, one has to remember that many distros are the frequently updated, latest cutting edge releases and that happens. This is the reason that businesses choose the Enterprise distros because they don't change as rapidly. From the desktop side, it's often best to stick with the LTS releases if you want more stability.

    At the end of the day, remember that Linux is open source and pieces and parts are all maintained by many different individuals. It's not a centralized development effort. Thus somebodies update to package X, could break person Y's reliance on something from package X.

    As a Linux user and supporter, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. To try to claim that Linux always updates flawlessly would just be silly. Same goes for Windows, sometimes updates break things. But usually it's less major as the platform is more consistent and the core features are all developed internally at Microsoft.
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  3. #103


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Whatever statistics present themselves can make a point.
    A view is not definitive unless proven.

    Sure, Linux is free, works great on servers, education, enterprise, supercomputers and as a desktop OS.
    But for home use, it is fringe.

    I will state that the UNIX kernel is time tested, reliable, safe, and has much value.

    For myself, like others that dislike the metro UI, tiles and metro apps, I have a personal dislike of the Linux GUI, that's it. I don't care for the icons, how the GUI works, the menuing system, and the free applications.

    Everyone else can state how they love that file system and everything else about free stuff, but my view is that I don't feel the need or have a need to run it. It's useful to run VM's for many. I don't need them. Some like to keep 4 or more systems up as their primary or in VM's. That's fine.

    I simply can do everything I need with one OS. I expect many will not even read this.

    Ok, it boots fast, is reliable, has thousands of free software packages, is easy to use, but what are the facts?

    Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I thought this was a little like fractal version forensics.
    Kind of confusing when comparing XP, Vista, 7, and 8 to this.

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    Of course statistics will be criticized, and views will tilt toward those that prefer something else.
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    I would like to end with Microsoft as a Subscription vs single licensing.

    Subscriptions will be offered at some point, but only for those inclined to find them as useful. I could see government, enterprise and education as 3 areas that might find subscriptions useful when they need to populate thousands of systems.

    The end user that seeks a single license is not likely to be forced into anything related to subscriptions.
    The bottom line rules.

    Let's say you have a multi device household, 4 pc's, 2 laptops, 1 tablet, a Windows Phone...
    some arrangement that makes life easier might work.
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  4. #104


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    This thread started out as "Microsoft as a Subscription" but seems to have become a comparison between Windows and Linux. So, I think I'll just unsubscribe.
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  5. #105


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    And at last, i never saw a windows update to break anything.
    There was one update back a few years ago, not sure which version of Windows it affected, but it prevented people from being able to boot their computers entirely.
    Check out the forum topics here and on SevenForums.

    Here's one for W8 from a few days ago:
    Microsoft reissues botched Windows 8.1 Update KB 2919355

    Also, the W8.1 update screwed up an unknown number bunch of people's machines last year.

    There were several last year for W7 (I'm not sure if they affected other versions of Windows).
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  6. #106


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    This thread started out as "Microsoft as a Subscription" but seems to have become a comparison between Windows and Linux. So, I think I'll just unsubscribe.
    It still is. One thing I like about the user CP is that we can unsubscribe. My inbox would be loaded with replies.
    ...like to keep my inbox small or empty. ... So I always unsubscribe following a post.

    For Microsoft as a subscription, the comparison to Linux from my view was to suggest that there is a similarity of need to keep up to date and that subscriptions would be targeted to enterprise models, education, and government and not single license holders.
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  7. #107


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I simply can do everything I need with one OS. I expect many will not even read this.
    If it makes you happy, I read that part.

    Whatever works for you is what matters.
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  8. #108


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    The Linux posts arose basically because people were looking for ALTERNATIVES in case Windows decided to become subscription and many of us whether rightly or wrongly who don't like the idea of that model were possibly wondering if it came to it could we do without Windows or a very large part of it.

    One must remember many of the developments in Windows came from people trying stuff out in Linux (fortunately not Metro - unless you regard Android as an "Official Linux Distro").

    As for hating Linux Icons and GUI - shows to me that the poster who mentioned that hasn't a clue - you can run Linux TOTALLY text based if you want - I have a server running where I don't even have a terminal or keyboard connected and it's been running for MONTHS without any re-boots etc. It's also running a version of SUSE that's AT LEAST 3 - 4 years old - but as this box is basically just a junk of old metal with a shedload of HDD's on it the OS is just fine and doesn't need updating until I decide that the whole box is on a one way trip to the TIP. !!

    You can use ANY GUI you like (even design a new one yourself if you want to) OR NONE - and ICONS you can also design. With Windows you are essentially stuck with the base model which is advantageous in some situations but not in others as the ongoing "Bring back the Menu" campaign shows - and Windows updates haven't always been painless -- don't most of the people on this Very Forum even advocate where possible install again FROM SCRATCH - I.E do a clean install. In fact these very boards are full of rumblings over the fact that non TechNet / msdn subscribers can't get hold (as yet) of the W8.1 update 1 ISO's.

    This debate will rumble on for as long as there are computers on this planet -- all I say is don't decry open source -- even on Windows how many of you use things like Calibre, Handbrake, Mp3tag and a load of other FREE non proprietary stuff to say nothing of free versions of robust commercial products -- VMWARE VPLAYER, Oracle's VIRTUAL BOX, MySQL (or equivalent DB's) LibreOFFICE, Free Macrium etc etc. Without these I'm sure we'd all be worse off and Linux offers a way for people to develop a lot of useful packages in their own time away from the often harsh environments of a development I.T team in a commercial organisation.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #109


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    As for hating Linux Icons and GUI - shows to me that the poster who mentioned that hasn't a clue -
    you can run Linux TOTALLY text based if you want ...
    Never said that, I said dislike. And be nice now, you don't know me, so why go personal? ...
    How do you know I don't have a clue?
    Do you know my history of using Linux? Do you know for how many years I have used it?
    Are you aware of how many distros I have used?

    I have been there, done that.
    Let's be friends here. My level of experience might surprise you.

    I used it for years in College. And am simply done with it. Don't need it. I care not for the file system.
    I am not alone here. Why should I support what I dislike?
    It is clear so many dislike 8 and have expressed their views.

    As for GUI design, that is where Windows shines as far as I am concerned. NOT talking about free stuff.
    There are so many customization tools that are very nice and I appreciate them.

    As for choosing GUI's, I have experimented with other shells for Windows as well as other Linux GUI's.
    The Linux system itself has some nice features, Am I not entitled to not need them?
    Time moves on, some of us are satisfied with one operating system.

    It is easy to blurt out a personal uncontested remark. I wish to keep the conversation friendly and professional.
    My goal is to address the topic at hand.

    As far as a Microsoft as a Subscription goes, popularity vs usability vs cost vs preference cannot be ignored.
    Take Care!
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  10. #110


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    No offence intended -- sometimes things seem different when written to when actually said. From the post it "appeared" that you didn't like Linux GUI's - so I was merely saying you didn't have to use a GUI at all or it was possible if you wanted to design your own. The post appeared to imply (wrongly) that you hadn't tried the various possibilies.

    We all make errors. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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