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Microsoft's new Windows cadence: Once a year is not enough

  1. #11


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    If they (MS) is gona go this route, than the damned ISO's should be made public period, not just to some MSDC or technet crowd.

    Some may just not be able to install them like this UP1 deal was for me, no matter what "expert" advice I followed. It took a "leaked" ISO to get it done. If this next one is also another update, it may act the same way.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Not good - when Google made several Android releases per year (during the V2 times), the system had a lot of bugs. They learned and slowed down - that was for the better.

    There is only so much good work you can do in a given timeframe. If MS is now trying to fall all over their feet, I smell trouble - in terms of reliability.
    I am with you on that M$ has not had an error free patch Tuesday in some time.
    Depending on perspective. I've not had any major issue with any patches, or updates. And any issues were dealt with rather briskly. Anyway It could be worse.... we could have Creative providing the updates. Talk about lousy support

    But I digress... Microsoft, yeah... I believe Microsoft said (alluded to) that they wanted to make a living OS. Perhaps this it the first phase. Oh and let's not forget.... things don't happen over night so it's not like we'll be seeing the full benefits any time soon.

    On that note... sorry, but touch screen is here to stay... at whatever iteration to eventually include desktops.

    My two cents.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    If they (MS) is gona go this route, than the damned ISO's should be made public period, not just to some MSDC or technet crowd.

    Some may just not be able to install them like this UP1 deal was for me, no matter what "expert" advice I followed. It took a "leaked" ISO to get it done. If this next one is also another update, it may act the same way.
    If you have an 8.0 factory OEM install, starting over from scratch will suck. If you don't have install media your going to have to do the factory recovery and spend a lot of time downloading and updating. At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well. I have custom install media for each PC I own. Every time a new ISO comes out I end up redoing my install thumb drives. If I was an IT guy and my company was running Windows 8 it could be a pita. They want time to test everything out before deploying it. Busy times for them I would say. I've only ever done the Store upgrade to 8.1 once. It didn't go well so I'm in no hurry to go that route again. On the plus side, other than that I haven't had any issues and I like the changes they made. It will be interesting to see what the next update brings.
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Well I'm saying I think they may be leaning/heading that way. I'm not saying they're there yet.
    AFAIK, MS does not plan direct integration between devices, such as desktop and Windows phone. For the last two years, they have not budged when it comes to sync between the desktop and phone. Or more accurately, between the desktop and phone calendars, contacts, etc.

    It's hard to imagine that they will, when MS sells the Office 365 Small Business and Office 365 Small Business Premium, respectively $60 and $150 per year, that integrates with Windows phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    For what its worth, I have an android phone (Galaxy S3) and wound getting a program called Companion Link. Got if for 39, normally 49 bucks. However it does wi-fi, wired, or cloud syncing. It syncs contacts, mail, calenders and folders, in addition to notes, which is mainly why I got it.
    Thanks for the tip, but it's a bit on the pricey side, especially when you get the phone for fifty bucks. Nor it is that important. If it would've been, I'd be better off staying with the iPhone, where syncing with Outlook was/is a free app.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well.
    Actually as of now when you download the update from the store it'll also contain the 8.1.1 update as well. In short you get both updates. Brink posted about it here - How to Update to Windows 8.1 Update on April 8th 2014
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Well I'm saying I think they may be leaning/heading that way. I'm not saying they're there yet.
    AFAIK, MS does not plan direct integration between devices, such as desktop and Windows phone. For the last two years, they have not budged when it comes to sync between the desktop and phone. Or more accurately, between the desktop and phone calendars, contacts, etc.

    It's hard to imagine that they will, when MS sells the Office 365 Small Business and Office 365 Small Business Premium, respectively $60 and $150 per year, that integrates with Windows phones.

    As I said, and keep saying, maybe not now, but eventually. At least that's what I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    For what its worth, I have an android phone (Galaxy S3) and wound getting a program called Companion Link. Got if for 39, normally 49 bucks. However it does wi-fi, wired, or cloud syncing. It syncs contacts, mail, calenders and folders, in addition to notes, which is mainly why I got it.
    Thanks for the tip, but it's a bit on the pricey side, especially when you get the phone for fifty bucks. Nor it is that important. If it would've been, I'd be better off staying with the iPhone, where syncing with Outlook was/is a free app.

    I did say it was pricy, but for what I needed it to do it works well if you don't have MS Exchange. And though I do have an exchange account, I'd like to keep my mail separate, I also don't need Google's snoop thus my reluctance to use them for my sync needs. Anyway thought I'd just throw that tip out there
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    If they (MS) is gona go this route, than the damned ISO's should be made public period, not just to some MSDC or technet crowd.

    Some may just not be able to install them like this UP1 deal was for me, no matter what "expert" advice I followed. It took a "leaked" ISO to get it done. If this next one is also another update, it may act the same way.
    If you have an 8.0 factory OEM install, starting over from scratch will suck. If you don't have install media your going to have to do the factory recovery and spend a lot of time downloading and updating. At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well. I have custom install media for each PC I own. Every time a new ISO comes out I end up redoing my install thumb drives. If I was an IT guy and my company was running Windows 8 it could be a pita. They want time to test everything out before deploying it. Busy times for them I would say. I've only ever done the Store upgrade to 8.1 once. It didn't go well so I'm in no hurry to go that route again. On the plus side, other than that I haven't had any issues and I like the changes they made. It will be interesting to see what the next update brings.
    Not starting out scratch, for one thing I make at least 4 image backups of my C partition using 4 seperate programs just to be on the safe side, besides, when you upgrade using the burned installer from a ISO, you don't loose a thing, you just choose to keep all programs and settings and keep rockin. The same way it was installing 8.0 over my OEM HP W7 is the same as it was installing 8.1 with update 1 over my installed 8.1, never skipped a beat after it was done.

    So Any and ALL updates should also be available in an ISO format which would be the last OS incl the latest update.. Cause re installing from my 8.1 install DVD wouldn't have installed the update 1 the way that leaked ISO did that came with update 1, although it was 17031, but updated with no problem to 17041 once it was on.

    That's what I mean about making the ISO "with" latest update available to ALL when its released, not just the usual suspects. Anyway we'll see how it goes the 2nd time around, maybe the damned "update" installs this time.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well.
    Actually as of now when you download the update from the store it'll also contain the 8.1.1 update as well. In short you get both updates. Brink posted about it here - How to Update to Windows 8.1 Update on April 8th 2014
    Ah, I do believe that is what I said? "At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it".
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    If they (MS) is gona go this route, than the damned ISO's should be made public period, not just to some MSDC or technet crowd.

    Some may just not be able to install them like this UP1 deal was for me, no matter what "expert" advice I followed. It took a "leaked" ISO to get it done. If this next one is also another update, it may act the same way.
    If you have an 8.0 factory OEM install, starting over from scratch will suck. If you don't have install media your going to have to do the factory recovery and spend a lot of time downloading and updating. At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well. I have custom install media for each PC I own. Every time a new ISO comes out I end up redoing my install thumb drives. If I was an IT guy and my company was running Windows 8 it could be a pita. They want time to test everything out before deploying it. Busy times for them I would say. I've only ever done the Store upgrade to 8.1 once. It didn't go well so I'm in no hurry to go that route again. On the plus side, other than that I haven't had any issues and I like the changes they made. It will be interesting to see what the next update brings.
    Not starting out scratch, for one thing I make at least 4 image backups of my C partition using 4 seperate programs just to be on the safe side, besides, when you upgrade using the burned installer from a ISO, you don't loose a thing, you just choose to keep all programs and settings and keep rockin. The same way it was installing 8.0 over my OEM HP W7 is the same as it was installing 8.1 with update 1 over my installed 8.1, never skipped a beat after it was done.

    So Any and ALL updates should also be available in an ISO format which would be the last OS incl the latest update.. Cause re installing from my 8.1 install DVD wouldn't have installed the update 1 the way that leaked ISO did that came with update 1, although it was 17031, but updated with no problem to 17041 once it was on.

    That's what I mean about making the ISO "with" latest update available to ALL when its released, not just the usual suspects. Anyway we'll see how it goes the 2nd time around, maybe the damned "update" installs this time.
    I hear ya. You know what your doing and how to minimize the impact of the frequent updates. My comment, even though it was in response to yours, was more aimed at the average Joe. The non tech savvy will end up doing it the long way. I agree, and I've said it before, the official Microsoft ISO's shouldn't be so hard for the average Joe to get their hands on. I have no idea why they restrict their downloads the way they do. They get leaked to other sites anyway, but unfortunately a lot of them get modified in a bad way. If they gave everybody access to the clean official ISO's that wouldn't happen. The ones that pirate Windows are going to get them anyway.

    I've never bothered with imaging. I have nothing against doing it, its just not something I do. I can do a clean install pretty easily and pretty quick these days anyway.
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post

    If you have an 8.0 factory OEM install, starting over from scratch will suck. If you don't have install media your going to have to do the factory recovery and spend a lot of time downloading and updating. At least the Store upgrade has update 1 in it, hopefully the next update package will be rolled in as well. I have custom install media for each PC I own. Every time a new ISO comes out I end up redoing my install thumb drives. If I was an IT guy and my company was running Windows 8 it could be a pita. They want time to test everything out before deploying it. Busy times for them I would say. I've only ever done the Store upgrade to 8.1 once. It didn't go well so I'm in no hurry to go that route again. On the plus side, other than that I haven't had any issues and I like the changes they made. It will be interesting to see what the next update brings.
    Not starting out scratch, for one thing I make at least 4 image backups of my C partition using 4 seperate programs just to be on the safe side, besides, when you upgrade using the burned installer from a ISO, you don't loose a thing, you just choose to keep all programs and settings and keep rockin. The same way it was installing 8.0 over my OEM HP W7 is the same as it was installing 8.1 with update 1 over my installed 8.1, never skipped a beat after it was done.

    So Any and ALL updates should also be available in an ISO format which would be the last OS incl the latest update.. Cause re installing from my 8.1 install DVD wouldn't have installed the update 1 the way that leaked ISO did that came with update 1, although it was 17031, but updated with no problem to 17041 once it was on.

    That's what I mean about making the ISO "with" latest update available to ALL when its released, not just the usual suspects. Anyway we'll see how it goes the 2nd time around, maybe the damned "update" installs this time.
    I hear ya. You know what your doing and how to minimize the impact of the frequent updates. My comment, even though it was in response to yours, was more aimed at the average Joe. The non tech savvy will end up doing it the long way. I agree, and I've said it before, the official Microsoft ISO's shouldn't be so hard for the average Joe to get their hands on. I have no idea why they restrict their downloads the way they do. They get leaked to other sites anyway, but unfortunately a lot of them get modified in a bad way. If they gave everybody access to the clean official ISO's that wouldn't happen. The ones that pirate Windows are going to get them anyway.

    I've never bothered with imaging. I have nothing against doing it, its just not something I do. I can do a clean install pretty easily and pretty quick these days anyway.
    Yeah I hear ya too homes, and fully go along with the

    " the official Microsoft ISO's shouldn't be so hard for the average Joe to get their hands on."

    Like you said it would make things a lot easier, and they end up passed around as it is anyway once the MSDC and tecnet crew gets their hands on them.

    As for being modified, you can pretty much figure that out as soon as you burn the thing, the one I got was clean and the same as on MSDC, so I think that's who uploaded it anyway.

    Besides you can only install these things using a "public" key, which installs the OS as a "trial", a retail key won't run the installer, you still need a good retail key to activate the thing properly, so its no problem to MS as it is, they actually don't care one way or another, and count each install as another "purchase" lol. did I mention MSDC and tecnet, smirks.....
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