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Microsoft requires migration to Windows 8.1 Update within

  1. #21


    Louisiana, USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    That being the case, the 8.1.1 update should be made available as a downloadable .exe or self-extracting archive, along the lines of the XP Service Packs. One of the 8.1.1 previews I tried actually was in this format (sadly it would not install on this machine).

    For those with no internet, or a slow or bandwidth-limited connection, this is more than just common-sense, it's pretty-well essential.

    In a closely related issue, I have also found it impossible to source standalone SP installers for Vista (any ideas??). Every link I've tried leads to a pirated copy of Vista with the SPs included, and that's not what I want. And downloading 2Gb or more of Service Packs every time I re-install simply isn't going to happen. Hence my Vista setup runs no SP at all.

    Not good, MS.


    Wenda.

    EDIT: I've just discovered that there is indeed such a beast. I was unable to find it previously, but it's now at the MS Download Centre. So, all good.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=42327
    I got my update via Windows Update.. I thought that was a pretty nice way to do it.. Or am I missing something?

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  2. #22


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Jarminx View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    That being the case, the 8.1.1 update should be made available as a downloadable .exe or self-extracting archive, along the lines of the XP Service Packs. One of the 8.1.1 previews I tried actually was in this format (sadly it would not install on this machine).

    For those with no internet, or a slow or bandwidth-limited connection, this is more than just common-sense, it's pretty-well essential.

    In a closely related issue, I have also found it impossible to source standalone SP installers for Vista (any ideas??). Every link I've tried leads to a pirated copy of Vista with the SPs included, and that's not what I want. And downloading 2Gb or more of Service Packs every time I re-install simply isn't going to happen. Hence my Vista setup runs no SP at all.

    Not good, MS.


    Wenda.

    EDIT: I've just discovered that there is indeed such a beast. I was unable to find it previously, but it's now at the MS Download Centre. So, all good.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=42327
    I got my update via Windows Update.. I thought that was a pretty nice way to do it.. Or am I missing something?
    No you didn't miss anything. Windows update will be how the majority of users get it. It was up on TechNet and MSDN as a stand alone download before it was available on Windows update. Some Forum members with subscriptions downloaded it from there and had an early look. It was leaked to the Internet also so some got it that way. The holy grail is to find an ISO with the update rolled into it. They are available on TechNet and MSDN but not everybody has subscriptions to those services. Thus the hunt is on.
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  3. #23


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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by Jarminx View Post
    I totally dislike the idea that we are forced to get this update.. I like the way it was, new updates aren't the greatest.. I paid for my system to work a certain way and they are making me change it to what >they< want. To me it's just wrong, but what can ya' do? Would be stupid to have an OS that doesn't have new updates...

    You are quite right. It all seems to be part of a wholly unwarranted arrogance on the part of the 8 team.
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  4. #24


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarminx View Post
    I totally dislike the idea that we are forced to get this update.. I like the way it was, new updates aren't the greatest.. I paid for my system to work a certain way and they are making me change it to what >they< want. To me it's just wrong, but what can ya' do? Would be stupid to have an OS that doesn't have new updates...
    You are quite right. It all seems to be part of a wholly unwarranted arrogance on the part of the 8 team.
    Did you two complain with SPs in past OSs, such as in 7? This update is basically an SP. Yes? The general rule was that if we did not install updates for security, then we leave our systems open to virus, hacks, and the like. Nor did we get SP2 without SP1 and so on. So whats the beef?

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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Did you two complain with SPs in past OSs, such as in 7? This update is basically an SP. Yes? The general rule was that if we did not install updates for security, then we leave our systems open to virus, hacks, and the like. Nor did we get SP2 without SP1 and so on. So what’s the beef?

    Click here if you struggle with the new
    By that logic M$ should also be dropping updates for Windows 8 but they are not.
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  6. #26


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Did you two complain with SPs in past OSs, such as in 7? This update is basically an SP. Yes? The general rule was that if we did not install updates for security, then we leave our systems open to virus, hacks, and the like. Nor did we get SP2 without SP1 and so on. So whats the beef?

    Click here if you struggle with the new
    By that logic M$ should also be dropping updates for Windows 8 but they are not.

    Not quite sure what you mean by"dropping updates". Please explain.
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Did you two complain with SPs in past OSs, such as in 7? This update is basically an SP. Yes? The general rule was that if we did not install updates for security, then we leave our systems open to virus, hacks, and the like. Nor did we get SP2 without SP1 and so on. So whats the beef?

    Click here if you struggle with the new
    By that logic M$ should also be dropping updates for Windows 8 but they are not.

    Not quite sure what you mean by"dropping updates". Please explain.
    M$ will not be giving you updates on windows 8.1 unless you update to windows 8.1.1.
    You will still be getting updates for windows 8 with out having to go to 8.1.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post

    By that logic M$ should also be dropping updates for Windows 8 but they are not.
    Not quite sure what you mean by"dropping updates". Please explain.
    M$ will not be giving you updates on windows 8.1 unless you update to windows 8.1.1.
    That was exactly my point in post #24. All updates follow in sequence no matter if individual or clumped in an SP. Its been that way forever. If you are talking about UI addition/changes, added feature programs, other features, etc., those were also included in past SPs or updates. This is not a sole construct of 8/8.1.
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Not quite sure what you mean by"dropping updates". Please explain.
    M$ will not be giving you updates on windows 8.1 unless you update to windows 8.1.1.
    That was exactly my point in post #24. All updates follow in sequence no matter if individual or clumped in an SP. It’s been that way forever. If you are talking about UI addition/changes, added feature programs, other features, etc., those were also included in past SPs or updates. This is not a sole construct of 8/8.1.

    Yes, Microsoft is most certainly not "forking" Windows 8 with separate update paths for 8 and 8.1, respectively... All updates for 8 lead to 8.1 and beyond, unless you decide to stop at 8, which is your choice, just as some people strangely resisted service pack updates for earlier OSes in the past. People get really odd ideas sometimes...it's always been true that if you want to update an OS--any OS--you have to update it to keep on updating it...
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  10. #30


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Did you two complain with SPs in past OSs, such as in 7? This update is basically an SP. Yes? The general rule was that if we did not install updates for security, then we leave our systems open to virus, hacks, and the like. Nor did we get SP2 without SP1 and so on. So what’s the beef?

    Click here if you struggle with the new
    By that logic M$ should also be dropping updates for Windows 8 but they are not.
    Not yet but from what I've read it may be coming. The Store Upgrade to 8.1 could be treated like a SP for 8.0. If they do that I think updates for 8.0 will stop two years after the release of the 8.1 Store Update. That will be a lot sooner than it normally would. The deal with update 1 for 8.1 is that it has security updates in it as well as the UI improvements. Those security updates are a prerequisite for any further security updates. So that means if you don't apply the update you don't get any more updates.
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