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  1. #101


    Using it for many years now, almost the same thing as "Everest" made by Lawalys, one of the oldest system configuration testing utilities, HW mostly with good benchmarking too. HW monitoring and detailed driver description.
    PS. About 10 years ago it was also giving advice on system improvements but some were quite ridiculous like : "To speed up your computer, install faster processor".
    Last edited by CountMike; 08 Mar 2014 at 18:00.

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  2. #102


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    It's not that it doesn't work, there are just certain situations where you may get the wrong key. If you have never used Add Features to upgrade it will read out the correct key as the BIOS and registry will have the same key stored in them. RWEverything will read it out of the BIOS.
    Just give me an example of what does work please?

    Everything will read it out of the BIOS.
    An 8.1 clean install does not work that way. It requires one to use a generic key first and then use the embedded product key to activate the product. So, please give me an example of what would work if I did the generic install and then attempted to retrieve my key "after the fact" to activate the installation. In this specific case, you claim the showkey.vbs script will not work. Now, since I haven't tried it in that order (eg, extracting the key after the generic install), I can't honestly say for sure but your claim of caution should be followed by a suggested alternative, so I am willing to learn from your caution. Now, please tell us what works because that is the most important part that you left out of your advisory.
    Like I said RWEverything will read it out of the BIOS. RWEverything | Read & Write Everything Under ACPI tables, you can find MSDM table (on Windows 8/8.1 OEM PC). Note down the serial.

    EDIT: Most of these utilities were written before there was Embedded BIOS keys. It's these embedded keys that throw the wrinkle in things. If your PC doesn't have an embedded key you can pretty well use whatever you like to find your key.
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  3. #103


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    Like I said RWEverything will read it out of the BIOS. RWEverything | Read & Write Everything Under ACPI tables, you can find MSDM table (on Windows 8/8.1 OEM PC). Note down the serial.
    OK, thanks for that. So, can anyone confirm that RWEverything will still show the original OEM key in the BIOS after doing a clean install of (Windows 8.1 or Windows 8) using a retail key to complete the installation?
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  4. #104


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    @CountMike:

    I'm also interesting in hearing your theory on why AIDA added the RTM notation because alphanumeric did not challenge that readout. So, where might AIDA be getting the RTM information from?
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  5. #105


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    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Like I said RWEverything will read it out of the BIOS. RWEverything | Read & Write Everything Under ACPI tables, you can find MSDM table (on Windows 8/8.1 OEM PC). Note down the serial.
    OK, thanks for that. So, can anyone confirm that RWEverything will still show the original OEM key in the BIOS after doing a clean install of (Windows 8.1 or Windows 8) using a retail key to complete the installation?
    Yes I can, I just ran it on my laptop and it showed my 8.0 OEM key, not the 8.1 Enterprise key. I currently have Windows 8.1 Enterprise installed with my TechNet key.
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  6. #106


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    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    @CountMike:

    I'm also interesting in hearing your theory on why AIDA added the RTM notation because alphanumeric did not challenge that readout. So, where might AIDA be getting the RTM information from?
    My guess is it pulled it from the Windows registry. A side effect of Update 1?
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  7. #107


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    Yes I can, I just ran it on my laptop and it showed my 8.0 OEM key, not the 8.1 Enterprise key. I currently have Windows 8.1 Enterprise installed with my TechNet key.
    Ok, thanks for that again. Now, I assume you can also verify that the showkey.vbs script does not reveal the original OEM key as identified in your original caution?
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  8. #108


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    My guess is it pulled it from the Windows registry. A side effect of Update 1?
    So, AIDA is not reliable either then; yes?
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  9. #109


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    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Yes I can, I just ran it on my laptop and it showed my 8.0 OEM key, not the 8.1 Enterprise key. I currently have Windows 8.1 Enterprise installed with my TechNet key.
    Ok, thanks for that again. Now, I assume you can also verify that the showkey.vbs script does not reveal the original OEM key as identified in your original caution?
    No can do showkey.vbs doesn't work on Windows 8.1 enterprise because its volume license. All I get is BBBBB-BBBBB-......
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  10. #110


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    No can do showkey.vbs doesn't work on Windows 8.1 enterprise because its volume license. All I get is BBBBB-BBBBB-......
    OK, thanks for trying. Anyway, I'd like to see a confirmation of my last request to fully support your caution; however, you have subsequently tried to provide adequate information so I thank you again for that effort; however, if nobody else is able to do that last test, I will do an 8.1 clean install on my Win 7 SP1 laptop (using a generic key), and then check the vbsscript to see what it yields at that point. In summary, thanks for attempting to support you caution to the best of your ability. Now, I will try to confirm the last piece over the next few days.

    Best regards,

    my2cents
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