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Microsoft makes it official: We're all in with Android

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    The reason that it's bad that Microsoft tries to dominate the phone market is because it grew into a cancer onto its desktop operating system.

    That aside, the internet was so much more "the internet" before the cell phones and other various toys. It used to rule. Now it's just ok.

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  2. #12


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    Interesting.

    The oems were blamed for poor sales of 8 because they weren't making enough expensive machines.

    More recently, the poor sales of 8 are allegedly because there aren't enough cheap machines.

    We hear MS are reducing the prices, or even giving it away.

    One snag with that. What if people don't want it even if they give it away? I reckon MS understand that is not unlikely. Uh oh.

    Whizo idea, bundle it with something people do want to buy. It goes along for the ride.
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    Apple has sold only 70 million iPads Oh my. They're doomed!
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    Yes, you do have a point there, mcnulty. Apple only sold 70 million, Android (and for those who are not aware of the fact, Android OS is Linux Kernel based, making it Linux) 121 million to Microsoft"s 4 million. Guess both Apple and Linux are doomed!
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    Hi there
    the problem isn't on how many HAVE been sold - that's revenue already earned -- what businesses need is FUTURE (and of course CONTINUING) revenue. Ms has loads of long running licenses with all sorts of businesses so it's not going bust any time soon.

    I'm not sure how many large corporations or communications providers have long term service agreements with Apple - Ms has many.

    While Apple has a huge cash pile and could go on for a while yet even if it didn't sell a single product - but eventually it would run out of cash and go bust.

    Ms actually has more revenue streams so is not so dependent on the success or otherwise of a Windows / Android phone. However the idea of a dual bootable phone (Windows / Android) that's been mooted in some quarters is possibly a great idea -- as is the idea of a totally new OS which would run BOTH Windows and android apps concurrently -- rather like some phone based version of the quite well known Linux WINE projects where people attempt to run windows EXE files directly on Linux without the need of an intervening Virtual Machine layer.

    Businesses survive on FUTURE revenue and products -- they can't live forever on past sales. For instance as far as APPLE is concerned -- who bothers buying an iPOD any more -- decent enough music players are incorporated into even cheap phones and with up to 64GB extra storage on a micro SD card -- well that's plenty of music for most people --even in uncompressed FLAC format. Apple IMO is in far more potential trouble than Ms is - that's why some sort of innovation and product announcements from both companies are needed

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Very well stated, Jimbo. The iPod example is best. Although a very innovative and successful device that made huge profits it's dead in the water because of new innovation of tech. All in all, someone needs to fill Job's shoes at Apple. I don't see it happening. They're relying on products they've had for quite some time.

    No disrespect, but as soon as some of these geeks understand and take a business view of it the better off they'll be. One has to take that in to really see the big picture. One has to envision what it's going to be like two years down the road. MS being so diversified has the upper hand.

    It may be easy for me to say because I'm enjoying 8.1 Pro with MC, Office 2013 Pro, Store apps, WP8, and all the services that come along with. It really has simplified my computing life either with production and consumption. MS has "fused" the two with their past vision of their system. I simply don't see anyone else accomplishing this.

    Dual boot phones? Great idea. It's like a sales person getting a foot in the door. It gets their product in peoples hands to at least take a look at it to decide if they like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Dual boot phones? Great idea. It's like a sales person getting a foot in the door. It gets their product in peoples hands to at least take a look at it to decide if they like it or not.
    Agree with that. I can't see anyone rebooting their phone in daily use though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ainteinstein View Post
    Yes, you do have a point there, mcnulty. Apple only sold 70 million, Android (and for those who are not aware of the fact, Android OS is Linux Kernel based, making it Linux) 121 million to Microsoft"s 4 million. Guess both Apple and Linux are doomed!
    You posted this article specifically.

    Quote Originally Posted by ainteinstein View Post
    Please read link about who dominates the tablet market, I do not believe it is Microsoft...
    Despite falling market share, iPads outsold next 4+ tablet makers combined in 2013 | 9to5Mac
    If you look at the numbers from 2012 to 2013, Yes, Apple is losing. Yes they sold more, but not that much more than the previous year
    And looking at all the other numbers that did double from 2012 to 2013, yeah, Apple is losing.
    Looking at Other, which I am assuming is Android and possibly some Windows.
    But this was the start of Windows Tablets, so,..... I think that is understandable

    but coming from a Mac site, trying to spin those numbers,, they did a pretty poor job based on all the other numbers
    The numbers that are in that article (as long as they are right) can't be disputed.

    That article attempts to spin it in a postive, and from the numbers, that just isn't possible.

    Apple certainly lost more than they gained.

    PS: Android gained a lot, true, but that is in emerging markets I am sure.
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    What I was trying to point out, Tepid, do not count out Apple or Android Tablets. Yes Apple has definitely been losing it's market, even with their iPhones to "Androids" but the way people feel about Eight? If they do not want to buy an Eight computer, what makes you think they are going to buy an Eight phone or tablet? Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one, it is just the question of how well the other players can capitalized on Microsoft's Eight Mistake.
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  10. #20


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    It isn't a mistake.
    It's a mistake that people listen to so many so called Tech Columnists and really did not take the time to find out for themselves
    That is seriously the mistake.

    I am all for free market, and let the consumer decide the fate of products.
    But when so much false press has been shoved to the forefront, and the fact that it is still here does go to show that Win8
    will have an impact the next year.
    It's still in it's infancy, so is the Windows Phone by all standards.

    The biggest negative that people have the OS is the Start Screen, but they haven't even really given it a chance.
    It's proven time and again.

    I for one will champion Win8.x and WP8 and Tablets for as long as needed. And they ain't dead yet.
    Infact, more and more people are starting to find these things out.

    Again, The next year will be very telling.
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