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  1. #41


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    Good point, MasterChief. Sometimes you do have to clarify for others who are reading this post. They might decide to over RAM, like putting a V8 on a tricycle.

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    That is true, and despite what MC says,, Ram upgrade/addition does improve stability and performance, up to a point.
    It can improve performance under certain situations, but it cannot improve stability. Actually, it can lessen stability because many times, people add extreme amounts of RAM and that often needs special attention to settings that they have no clue how to deal with.

    I'm perfectly happy with my 2 GB DDR2 - I could put it to 4 GB but don't really care either way, to be honest. It's fine as it is.
    Then it must be obvious even to us average users (the ones who have no computer experience) that you are running a 32 bit system OS.
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  3. #43


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    MC, that is not entirely true. That would be a very small number of users that may be affected by that.
    Mainly those who have no clue what they are doing. Installing mismatched ram, etc.

    If you find someone experienced in this things, trust me, the right amount of Ram can and will provide more stability.
    the majority of people will not have any issues at all with adding ram to their PC's.
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  4. #44


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    1) Music studio applications -- unless your hardware has its own controllers / memory trying to run studio quality music applications with 1GB RAM will certainly cause problems for very high quality recording - you will need a lot of RAM so much of the recording signal can be buffered to avoid "drop outs" -- while you could use HDD's for buffering - on older equipment these will be HIDEOUSLY slow -- actually even on an old computer putting in an SSD can make a HUGE difference in performance.

    2) If you even THINK of running any VM's that have any sort of performance at all then you will need OODLES and OODLES of RAM. Virtual machines just eat RAM for breakfast.

    3) if you only run a few small applications then fitting an SSD will probably be a much better option on an older machine than upping the RAM from say 1GB to 2GB - especially if its running XP. However these days RAM is relatively cheap so you don't lose by fitting more (although for a 32 bit OS more than 4GB is just a waste.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #45


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    MC, that is not entirely true. That would be a very small number of users that may be affected by that.
    Mainly those who have no clue what they are doing. Installing mismatched ram, etc.

    If you find someone experienced in this things, trust me, the right amount of Ram can and will provide more stability.
    the majority of people will not have any issues at all with adding ram to their PC's.
    My previous post was deleted about this. All I can tell you is that there is no such thing as a BSOD happening due to (small) RAM amount. That is something that needs to be considered so facts can be straightened out in the name of correctness.

    Jimbo, do you realize that you're posting that with me here - a person that ran a music studio very successfully for many years with 1 GB? There was nothing painful and nothing slow. What I needed to do got done. There were no dropout, buffering was not a problem, etc... Perfect I can say. I posted about this already in the thread - 192 KHz, 24 bit (32 bit mixing) - as many tracks as I want simultaneously, both wet and dry.
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  6. #46


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    Windows 7 Ultimate/Windows 8.1 Update Pro with Media Center/Windows Technical Preview [All 64-bit]


    In most cases adding up more RAM DOES NOT improve performance or stability, but using better quality and faster RAM does improve it (a lot and of course if your motherboard can handle it). But the main reason of PC's using high quantities of RAM is because of poorly encoded/programmed software. Some software eats up RAM like a hungry dude will eat a box of pizza and some software doesn't... have have to decide which software is the best suited for you (functionality/features/compatibility/stability)!
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorlan2001 View Post
    In most cases adding up more RAM DOES NOT improve performance or stability, but using better quality and faster RAM does improve it (a lot and of course if your motherboard can handle it).
    No about faster RAM. Tom's Hardware has many interesting articles about it. The only place you can see a difference is in actual RAM benchmarking. Real-world activities, many or most of them, literally show no difference in benchmarking.

    Further, I have noticed over many years of BSOD debugging, that the systems with most problems are ones with RAM marketed as gaming or performance. So, unnecessarily harming own system stability in their attempts, thinking it was better, because marketing told them so.

    Even further than that - there are instances where the high speed best performance WHOOOO HA RAM of company A actually performs less than their standard general population normal RAM. (same company)

    From 2008: "Our conclusion is very simple: you get the best bang for the buck if you stick to the mainstream of the memory market, which currently is still DDR2-800 or 1066, preferably at low latencies. DDR3-1066 and -1333 memory do not yet result in better performance, and so should only be considered by hardcore enthusiasts, who aim for maximum overclocking performance knowing that they will get little benefit for spending a fortune."

    Conclusion - Tom's Ultimate RAM Speed Tests

    From 2013: "Still, the best reason we can think of to buy high-end memory is to show off a big overclock." <<< A nice way to say "not needed."

    "Since high-speed memory only provides a marginal performance benefit to a small number of all the applications on your PC, we can only recommend the step up to a subset of enthusiasts willing to pay that extra money."

    Making A Case For High-Speed RAM - Does High-Speed DDR3 Help AMD's FX? Four 8 GB Kits, Reviewed
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  8. #48


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    I read your articles MasterChief, and have to admit you're right...
    So I guess the only way to have a credible system stability/greater performance is by upgrading HDD's to SSD's and also upgrading the CPU or APU, right?!?
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  9. #49


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    For "normal" activities - best bang for the buck is upgrade CPU.

    For "gaming" - best bang for the buck is upgrade GPU.

    SSD instead of HDD just simply accesses and writes data more quickly, so everything you do like loading a program, booting Windows, loading maps in games - all happen quicker.

    That's why it's called a "system" - all components working together to create something that works. All components are important, obviously.
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  10. #50


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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    For "normal" activities - best bang for the buck is upgrade CPU.
    Not sure about that. You only need to buy more CPU if it is already able to be provided data faster than it can process. This is rarely the case as most "normal" activities are not particularly CPU intensive. If your system is slow and not using 100% CPU then it has bottleneck in IO or memory.
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