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10 stupid things 'experts' try to tell you about Microsoft

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    Adding programs doesn't crash a system in any way, whatsoever, unless there is an inherent flaw in any particular program's driver(s) that should never be installed anyhow. Adding programs also does not slow a system down whatsoever, unless it uses resources like services or startup items (which more often that not can be disabled), and that is independent of the OS itself.

    The reason Silverlight is not downloaded much and Flash is necessary, is because websites like Youtube and pr0n sites use Flash - and the only place I know of that uses Silverlight is Microsoft tutorials (I am sure there are other places though.)

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    Gamers tend to run into that problem quite a bit along with those who use their computers for a recording studio. Microsoft gives you the min to run the OS, if you want to do more than run, let us say Windows 8, yes you at least need to up the RAM.

    Interesting about Silverlight, I wonder why Microsoft did not just try to buy Flash?
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    lol I have a professional quality recording studio. See my specs. I game often too - hours every day.

    No, you can run Windows very well with little RAM - even less than they demand officially.

    Years ago when I had only 1 GB RAM then upgraded to 2 GB, I did not notice any performance difference - and you would be very hard pressed to find someone that uses computers in more ways than I do.
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    I am amazed that you do not experience drop-out when recording with only 2 GB of RAM. Now gaming I could understand, depending on what games you play. What is interesting is the fact that I have been considering upping my old XP to 2 GB when, according to Microsoft the min is 128 mb. Although, nobody recommends that because that would be very slow. XP RAM equaling 7? I don't know...according to what I have read and experienced for my own use, even 8 is recommended at 4 GB. But hey, if it works for you who am I to question that?

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    My system/audio interface can record 8 discreet analog channels at once at 192 KHz, 24 bit, in addition to various digital inputs as well. Further, I can run demanding VST plugins that process the audio while recording - that is known as "wet" audio. Tracks for both "wet" and "dry" can be recorded simultaneously as well, so you can go back and remodel the sound to your liking after the fact of recording.

    If I added another MOTU Traveler, I'd be able to double all that to have twice as many inputs.

    It all worked well when I only had a P4 3.5 GHz and 1 GB DDR RAM - but then, I'd have to not put some VSTs on highest quality settings because CPU could not keep up with processing.

    It also utilizes 4 separate mix buses that can be used simultaneously for 8 analog outputs and various digital ones too.

    People recommend lots of things, lots of times. Doesn't mean it's wrong, doesn't mean it's gospel either.

    Here is a screenshot of the Mixing Console that I use when not actually recording inside of a DAW:

    Click image for larger version

    I can tell you with full confidence of vast experience on 1 GB that this is trash (from the article you posted):

    "Gaming with this much RAM is going to be painful, and carrying out tasks such as image processing or ripping a CD will pretty much take over the entire system. As for video editing, forget about it." <<< I stopped reading right there. (Maybe he is selling for the industry? lol How well ripping a cd goes does not depend on amount of RAM at all, too.) I've been using Photoshop since at least 2000 or so and never had any complaints in performance.

    I'm a pioneer in video encoding and routines for the underground, and have developed many methods used widely, too.

    I play latest games on my system very well, including titles like Crysis 3 etc...
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    You do compromise by not being able to use the highest quality settings. For you, that works. For others, that is not where they would be willing to compromise. But then again, I ran the XP on min RAM where I know many would not have put up with that!
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    No. Now I have Pentium D 3.0 GHz instead of Pentium 4 3.4 GHz and I don't have to take VST off high any longer. Soon I'll be putting a Core 2 x6800 Extreme which benches at 3x the speed compared to what I have now.
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    Believe me, I do follow what you do. But one must consider the simple people who buy what they can afford off the shelf. The simplest and cheapest upgrade for them is to increase their RAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ainteinstein View Post
    Believe me, I do follow what you do. But one must consider the simple people who buy what they can afford off the shelf. The simplest and cheapest upgrade for them is to increase their RAM.
    That is true, and despite what MC says,, Ram upgrade/addition does improve stability and performance, up to a point.
    The minimum on any new PC's today, imo, should not be less than 4G. but the majority of users will never need more than 4G.
    So, really, modern PC's, and majority of people should not have less then 4G and do not need more than 4G.

    When it comes to Gaming and other things, More is only sometimes better.
    For Gaming, 6 to 8G would be the limit of what I would recommend. and really only 6G.

    For Audio/Video, Photo, Art, VM's, etc. I wouldn't recommend less than 12G.
    If that is the primary focus of that PC. And 64bit of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    That is true, and despite what MC says,, Ram upgrade/addition does improve stability and performance, up to a point.
    It can improve performance under certain situations, but it cannot improve stability. Actually, it can lessen stability because many times, people add extreme amounts of RAM and that often needs special attention to settings that they have no clue how to deal with.

    I'm perfectly happy with my 2 GB DDR2 - I could put it to 4 GB but don't really care either way, to be honest. It's fine as it is.
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