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10 stupid things 'experts' try to tell you about Microsoft

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    In a perfect world, everyone runs Windows 7 and nothing else is ever needed. (Opinion only, of course!)
    You know, I'm not that convinced about it.
    Despite still not liking the modern UI myself (to the extent I hardly ever use it, thanks MS for adding the option to return straight to the desktop when no apps are open), I must say that I moved to Windows 8.1 a month ago on my home all-purpose PC and I never looked back since.
    UI-wise the desktop theme looks neater, performance-wise it feels quicker and more responsive than Windows 7.
    Still I would have liked the chance to customize a little more the start screen (I'd love to have native wide tiles also for desktop apps for example and the chance to manually select the background color), but that's a marginal issue.

    As for WP going away... No way. For what I've seen from my mates' Nokia phones (on my phone there's currently Android) WP8 is a very good mobile OS so I don't see why they should be dropping it.
    The same goes for Windows RT as far as I'm concerned. If you need a lightweight laptop to carry wherever you go and just need Office/internet and social networks/mail/news and forecasts and maybe some little game to help you wast the time in which you're not working, RT is a more than viable option.
    It also spares you from forking out for an Office license, and this is not a small deal.

    My 2 cents anyway.

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  2. #12


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    hah yes, thank you for reminding me. Many (I would say definitely more than half) desktop users are saddened to see Aero glass removed in 8. Microsoft did that for one reason and one reason only, despite what anyone says: It is to save power on mobile devices. They then proceeded to spin it as "Flat is the new cool!" which worked to a large degree.

    The hardware I run Windows 7 on is probably slower than 90% of the people that frequent this forum and sevenforums.com, at the moment. If Windows 7 is too slow for someone (and I am a speed freak in all things in life - sportbikes, even the way I go up and down stairs etc...) - then something is wrong with the system or perceptions are way skewed.

    But glad to see your post and your opinions too!
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Many (I would say definitely more than half) desktop users are saddened to see Aero glass removed in 8.
    Many of my friends who made the move (mainly people from university that had the chance to have a licensed copy of 8.1) said so, yes.
    It's me who just likes having no transparencies or compositing effects in his way

    Also, I must agree on the Vista part: indeed it's a good OS especially after the release of SP2. I didn't use it myself much, but Vista SP2 still runs rock solid on my uncle's PC from 2008.
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  4. #14


    Well, I cant comment on the signing in with a live account in order to use Apps. I have no problem with signing in with such an account. I have several functions which require it, so use it.
    UEFI was around the corner anyway. It would be incorporated into any OS that was neurotic regarding security.
    Paying for Apps? Don't understand that one. Any Apps which are other than free, must be paid for.
    The loss of Aeroglass is not a bug as such. It didn't bother me, as I have never used it. I use as little eye candy on my desktop as possible.
    My one complaint was the inability to windows MS apps on the legacy desktop. I now use modernmix, which quickly sorted that. In fact, I have since found that my existing third party software, all of which windows on the legacy desktop, is enough - no need for anything in the store.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    The nonsense of not even being able to open apps like calculator or the like without signing in to MS account, the UEFI stuff, M$'s visions of making you pay through all acquired software through the store,
    Where do people get this nonsense from? FffffUuUUUUUuuuuuddddDDDDdDD D D Duh
    Maybe Microsoft's own website?

    "To start looking for apps to install on your PC, tap or click Store on the Start screen to open the Windows Store. You need to be connected to the Internet to open the Store and you’ll need to sign in using a Microsoft account."

    Perhaps I am incorrect about the specific calculator in Start screen (I did mention "or the like"), but surely to run any app there like calendar or play some game or use lots of things included there, you need to sign in. Even I know this and I haven't used Win 8 much at all ever. How about Calendar? Don't you need an account to open that simple app?

    The whole wet dream of the Start screen is (or now - maybe - WAS due to enormous backlash and how they were forced to give in with 8.1) to control all you can do so they can monetize all you can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    Paying for Apps? Don't understand that one. Any Apps which are other than free, must be paid for.
    Don't you guys even know that Microsoft charges program authors something like 30% (could be more or less) to sell apps from the store. Anyone with half a brain can see that they are trying to corner the market so eventually all software will have to be purchased through them. Why do you think it is that you can't download apps from say, Filehippo? Oh right, I know: "security" heh. "It's for the children!" lol
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  6. #16


    ? I can download apps from File hippo.

    Apple also charge for inclusion of their apps.

    But what MS charge to programmers (for Metro Apps), I would say, is not a significant argument in this thread. It has little to do with faults in Windows 8. It certainly is not a legitimate response to my quote. What the end user pays, is the essential.

    Programmers are not obliged to write Metro Apps. Should they choose to do so, and should it result in a significant rise in their end product, perhaps they best think in which direction they wish to go. As I said, I do not use the Metro Apps. It is my experience that those I have examined, have had an equal , or even superior model, in the non metro field.

    I did, in my earlier post, suggest the discussion did not get into the Modern gui, but you have, nevertheless, chosen to mention it.

    The computer business is unstoppably, heading for touch screens in everything from tablets to stationary monitors. Give MS a little credit for seeing the future advantage of that environment. Agreed, a pity that it wasn't introduced as an option, rather than the opening screen. Agreed, they should have left the old start menu there for those who preferred it.

    As it is, it would be more difficult for a touch screen user to use that old start menu, than the modern gui. I have no difficulty using the gui with a mouse. I do wish I could have smaller icons, with text, though.

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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    In Silicon Valley (and in media satellites that take the NoCal mindset to New York and beyond), everyone has an iPhone, a MacBook Pro, and a Gmail account. Microsoft products and services might as well be from Mars. So be skeptical when you read analyses or predictions of what's coming next from Redmond.
    Read more at: 10 amazingly stupid things the 'experts' will try to tell you about Microsoft | ZDNet

    Great points that should consistently be made until they soak into some of these hard heads...;) Basically, if you don't know these things about Microsoft it's probably because you're a relative n00bie who is long on the popular tech press and very short on experience. I would've added another one:

    "Microsoft is losing money and going broke." The reality is the exact opposite! Heh...;)

    I particularly liked the Apple commercial with the 1990's CRT and the blue screen...! That sums up state of the art Apple "knowledge" about Microsoft: it's always, always 10-15+ *years* out of date...;) Nothing is more amusing than reading a Mac thread and listening to all the stuff they think they "know" about Windows...;) (Better than Saturday Night Live, it is.)
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    In Silicon Valley (and in media satellites that take the NoCal mindset to New York and beyond), everyone has an iPhone, a MacBook Pro, and a Gmail account. Microsoft products and services might as well be from Mars. So be skeptical when you read analyses or predictions of what's coming next from Redmond.
    Read more at: 10 amazingly stupid things the 'experts' will try to tell you about Microsoft | ZDNet

    Great points that should consistently be made until they soak into some of these hard heads... Basically, if you don't know these things about Microsoft it's probably because you're a relative n00bie who is long on the popular tech press and very short on experience. I would've added another one:

    "Microsoft is losing money and going broke." The reality is the exact opposite! Heh...

    I particularly liked the Apple commercial with the 1990's CRT and the blue screen...! That sums up state of the art Apple "knowledge" about Microsoft: it's always, always 10-15+ *years* out of date... Nothing is more amusing than reading a Mac thread and listening to all the stuff they think they "know" about Windows... (Better than Saturday Night Live, it is.)
    Probably remarkably similar to what people here know about Apple products.
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  9. #19


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    Living on innovations from two decades ago? What about the merge of code going to take place over this next decade to have one OS to rule all devices? Is that not innovation?

    I think one today in which I consider innovation is Kinect, no one else offers anything like it especially at that price point and before anyone start to claim how buggy it is these people found it for something other then gaming and it helps a lot of people.

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    warning   Warning
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    Let's keep this discussion friendly shall we.

    Last edited by Brink; 02 Mar 2014 at 00:16.
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