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Windows 8.1 Update 1 leaked

  1. #81


    Covington, La
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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    From what I have read this update will be through Windows Update. These leaked versions are full install but are used internally by MS to test them. I don't believe they will be released to the public.

    Jim

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  2. #82


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The public maybe not but TechNet is another matter. Your friendly IT guy or girl isn't going to want to update possibly hundreds (or more) of PC's though the Windows Store over the corporate network. They will want something downloadable to use to make new install images. Microsoft isn't in the habit of leaving its corporate customers hanging. They made new enterprise 8.1 ISO's with the post 8.1 rollup updates baked in. The Enterprise ISO's are the latest GA builds. I'm hopeful they'll show up at some point.
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  3. #83


    Manchester CT
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Folks, I don't think MS is putting much effort into Technet since they decided to terminate the program. I have seen very few updates in the past few months. For instance, Windows 8.1 RTM has never been released as the last update was 2013-09-09 which was before the release date of October 17th and we never got a full install ISO from them. I was surprise that Enterprise got an update but that is above my subscriber level.

    BTW, in reading through the posts here, Coke Robot (how I wish real names were used in forums, sigh) made the point that mixing Start apps with the desktop will make it extremely difficult for touch screen users, as the "close window" icon shrinks up to its tiny, pre touch, mouse orientated size. Now there is a match made in heaven.
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  4. #84


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    XBox One will be getting a major update to the operating system at the same time that Win8.1.1 is getting released. I know MS is trying to blend in phone,tablet,game console, laptops, and desktops into a unifying gestalt of an operating system. Is the timing just coincidental?

    On another note about the XBox One, here is a conspiracy that is worthy of the JFK assassination, the moon landings, and 9/11. MS secretly built into the XBox One another entire APU chip stacked under the main chip. Perhaps as soon as the March update, they will start to light up this hidden chip and make the console 60% more powerful, with more to come! Believe it or not:
    misterxmedia - Mistercteam Daily. TSV 3D stacking found on Xbox One SOC (stacking proof #3)
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  5. #85


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    Folks, I don't think MS is putting much effort into Technet since they decided to terminate the program. I have seen very few updates in the past few months. For instance, Windows 8.1 RTM has never been released as the last update was 2013-09-09 which was before the release date of October 17th and we never got a full install ISO from them. I was surprise that Enterprise got an update but that is above my subscriber level.

    BTW, in reading through the posts here, Coke Robot (how I wish real names were used in forums, sigh) made the point that mixing Start apps with the desktop will make it extremely difficult for touch screen users, as the "close window" icon shrinks up to its tiny, pre touch, mouse orientated size. Now there is a match made in heaven.
    TechNet is to be retired but MSDN will still be there. MSDN shows the same ISO's as TechNet. Like you mentioned the Enterprise ISO's were bumped up to the GA build and the retail weren't. Part of the reason for that though is that the Enterprise versions don't update to 8.1 though the Windows Store like Retail versions. The IT Pro needs the actual install media to do it. I have a TechNet and MSDN subscription as a perk of my MVP status. When my TechNet SUB runs out I'll still have access to MSDN. Assuming my MVP gets renewed that is.

    I bet you can still close an app by dragging it to the bottom of the screen if you want, so the close window icon shouldn't be an issue on touch screens.
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  6. #86


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    XBox One will be getting a major update to the operating system at the same time that Win8.1.1 is getting released. I know MS is trying to blend in phone,tablet,game console, laptops, and desktops into a unifying gestalt of an operating system. Is the timing just coincidental?

    On another note about the XBox One, here is a conspiracy that is worthy of the JFK assassination, the moon landings, and 9/11. MS secretly built into the XBox One another entire APU chip stacked under the main chip. Perhaps as soon as the March update, they will start to light up this hidden chip and make the console 60% more powerful, with more to come! Believe it or not:
    misterxmedia - Mistercteam Daily. TSV 3D stacking found on Xbox One SOC (stacking proof #3)
    It wouldn't surprise me if they made Windows RT more Windows Phone OS like, and striped out the desktop side. Assuming they don't drop it. Windows 8.1 seems to be going the other way though. Metro is morphing to be more like the way desktop programs are displayed and run.
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  7. #87


    Soooooo.....still no notification page/manager?

    smh
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  8. #88


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by insane014 View Post
    Yes windows overlapping is not the way to go, split screen is way more efficient but problem lays in desktop apps that do not sport ribbon interface. If you take some app like Photoshop you will see that it spans tools and tabs vertically both left and right which significantly kills screen estate in split screen.
    ... and therefore you sometimes have to overlap to see what you need, when on a small screen.

    I would argue that overlapping is actually more efficient use of limited space, it just doesn't look very nice.
    A program like AutoCAD kind of does suck with the Ribbon as it shoved like a bajillion commands into a predefined section of the screen. It's not the best honestly and it's kind of a thorn in my side about AutoCAD that they don't seem to ever really tweak the Ribbon aspect with every new release...

    See, window overlapping was introduced way back when in Windows 2.0 on desktop PCs that had like screens 10 inches big with resolutions of like 640x480; so window overlapping was necessary to overcome screen estate issues because in Windows 1, it was all tiled but that wasn't the best way to multitask. But if you took those overlapped windows from Windows 2.0's notepad.exe and calc.exe and so on onto a 23 inch 1080p monitor, you have very little need to overlap as you can just space them out side by side very easily. Although these days, multitasking can involved a LOT of windows and more complex programs. Some window overlap is needed, but not so much as before.

    The problem I see with window overlapping on smaller 8 inch tablets, even tiling windows like Samsung's magazine UI design, is the fact that you compromise window usability for viewability. When you have two File Explorer windows snapped side by side, you have two fully useful and viewable windows. When you introduce a third window, that masks over your two usable windows effectively leaving you with one. In Windows 8.1, it was changed so if you have a high resolution and fairly decent sized monitor, you can have three things snapped side by side. This allows for a good balance of window usability and viewability.

    I believe a good UI design for multitasking allows for a perfect balance of window task viewability and usability.
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  9. #89


    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    From what I have read this update will be through Windows Update. These leaked versions are full install but are used internally by MS to test them. I don't believe they will be released to the public.
    Jim
    There can even be several builds running around among the MS programmers, at the same time, each being used for a particular aspect of the OS. It has been the same with previous OSs. How they eventually turn them into a smaller profiled update I do not know. IMO, whatever the eventual distribution, I feel certain it will not be through the store, but via an update.
    Alphanumeric's concern could be correct, but I would visualise downloading updates from the normal source as an automatic procedure for corporate users. Downloading and installing a whole OS in a corporate Lan, would be a huge task. The method via the store, god forbid, would require personal and manual operation by individuals with a little more knowledge than, say, an office typist.
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  10. #90


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post

    So what exactly is so hard about doing one of these very simple options to see the modern clock to warrant such a melt down about it??

    It only takes a second to do.

    If seeing the time is so critical to you, then you might consider setting or hanging a clock next to the computer to always have it available.
    Sorry,

    I have to agree with the OP on this one, I leave my PC on all the time, I use it as my clock at least with my windows 7 computers, it saves me from having to purchase a clock and take up desktop real estate. It is simple things like these that make Windows 8 such an albatross, everything you want to do always has extra steps added to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    As Brink Says "The date and time will always show on your desktop taskbar just like it is in Vista and Windows 7."

    If you are constantly in , and using, Metro Apps, then it could be a nuisance for the majority to have a clock in there faces, on a full screen display. If, on the other hand, you are using legacy apps on the legacy desktop, nothing has changed.
    Hello Justmetoday,

    In addition to leaving your PC on the desktop to see the time and date on the taskbar, you could also lock your computer ( + L) so that when the lock screen appears shortly after like below, you'll have the modern clock showing in it along with any notifications.



    From my experience: while Windows can never be what everyone wants out of the box since that would be impossible, you are able to customize it however you like with whatever you like.

    People may ask, but why should I have to?

    I say, you don't have to, but why would you not want to.
    Yes, thank you for the tip, I could do that, or a desktop gadget tool, but just another couple of extra steps, which is what I said was an inherent problem with Windows 8, everything always needs a few extra steps. Why should I lock my machine I am the only one who uses it? However, perhaps my cat uses it behind my back, ummm, he is quite clever.

    There is still the problem of always having to exit or switch an app to see the time, as it is on Win 7 if I am browsing or in windows mode I can always see the time. I never use the metro browser.

    However, my Windows 8 solution is much more elegant, I use Stardocks Decor 8 software, which allows me to display it on the Start screen. But, why did I have to install Decor 8 for such an easy item?
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