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Despite Imminent Retirement, More Users Move to Windows XP

  1. #81


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    HG, I think you are too much of a high tech buff. I prefer simple devices.

    For 7 years I drove this Renault Twingo (pic below) all over Europe. It had absolutely no power assists and the only luxury I put in was an AC. With it's 60 HP it could go 150km/h (which is more than the legal speed limit in most countries) making 40 miles per gallon. Maintenance was nil - an oil change every 2 years, that's it. It was one of the best of my 45 cars I owned and I had everything from a Fiat 500 to a Cadillac Seville.

    Now I am stuck with this high tech vehicle where I managed to read 250 pages of the 560 page user manual in 1 year. I hate the thing because half of the knobs are a mystery to me and the electronice run the car, not me.
    Oh contraire, whs, although I have more time for tech now that I’m semi-retired. I more or less stumbled into high tech.

    Firstly, if you look at my specs you’ll see I’m running an Acer T690 I bought back in 2009 when I was running a building business. That’s 7 years old. It came loaded with Vista but then upgraded to 7 Pro. The only thing I’ve done to this machine is change out the CMOS battery, bought an MS Arc mouse, and upgraded the RAM to 2GBs at $40USD. Back in June of 2012 with the approach of 8, I thought I would have to buy a more powerful box to run it on, but as you can see that’s not the case. 8.1 is running absolutely fantastic.

    My phone history if you haven’t seen it. Post #52 here: Thoughts on Windows Phone 8?

    While you were sitting in your office performing IT with a phone at hand, I was working construction. Do you know how many pay phones were on job sites way back when? > Zero. Nil, None. If we needed to make a call we would have to wait for break or lunch. The construction office/trailer might let you use the phone, otherwise it’s a trip to the nearest gas station or store. That’s why I got into cell phones when introduced. I can’t tell you enough what a convenience that was or is. When I got the bag phone I had no idea it would all evolve into the tech we have today.

    My Droid X2 I had for 3 years, which is longer than most people would keep a phone. I had to wait an extra year until my daughter’s phone was up for renewal which ended the contract. She decided to go get her own iPhone. I was really wanting a Surface Pro, but I couldn’t justify that and a new phone, so I killed two birds with one stone and got the Lumia 1520.

    I had no idea when using 7 that MS would evolve 8/8.1 to work in conjunction with WP8. That’s how I can say I more or less stumbled on this stuff. To me 8.1 along with WP8 is the greatest thing since, well, the pay phone!

    BTW, I drive a modest 1992 < Yes, 1992 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4X4 with the AMC straight 6 cylinder, with power everything, and a sun roof. My aunt found 1-1/2 years ago. It’s in mint condition. It sat in a barn for 7 years in Missouri, so no salt rot. I picked it up for a song. I did have to replace a few dry-rotted gaskets, buy new tires, and changed all the fluids. It's sort of my XPmobile.

    Last, but not least, who says this stuff is complicated?

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  2. #82


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    I don't know what all the brew-ha-ha is about. Regardless of the whys and wherefores, W8, 8.1 has been rejected wholesale in the market place. End of story. Endless discussion will not change this reality.

    And I say that with W8.1 Pro on my flagship.
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  3. #83


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    It doesn't seem too different desperately hanging on to data in the form of nostalgic photographic images, documents and recorded music and video, or desperately hanging on to a familiar old operating system.

    Being in my 60s I have lost parents and other elderly family members in the last decade and have had to sort through their lifetime collections of photos and letters and other documentary mementos, records, videotapes and ephemera.

    In the end most of it was trash. It would have taken an age to collate, read and understand it, so the pragmatic choice was to put it in the garbage, much of it unread, or not looked at.

    How much personal junk is stuck in the cloud because the originators have died or just lost access to their accounts, and how much more will there be in the future? Does anyone here leave their usernames and passwords with their Lawyers or in their wills every time they open a new account?

    No - the time for enjoying our effects is while we live, and it is little comfort to anyone if all our treasures are hidden in some inaccessible vault that dies with us.

    So let those who want to continue to use their teenage OSs continue to enjoy themselves while they may, and busy yourselves weeding out all your gigabytes of stored future garbage so that it won't take the rest of your life to peruse just a fraction of it or bore others with your holiday snaps of 2002, when you had a nice new shiny XP laptop to view your days snapshots on.

    Edit

    Just to add that in someone else's trash this week (with their blessings) I picked up a Sky + HD satellite box with 500GB hard drive and a 2004 Siemens Fujitsu XP PC with 250GB and 1 GB RAM which I will be turning into a Media Server to use with my little NOWTV Roku box. 0.75 TB local storage for nothing.

    So I am just as guilty as the rest of you!

    Hi there

    Be careful what you say about "Teenage OS'es" -- the W8 interface bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Kiddies" section of AOL of a good few years ago - so what's the REAL teenage OS.

    Whether a product is good or bad is unfortunately not the only criterion that makes for success -- many HIDEOUS products make it to market while other GOOD ones fail. The Market is a harsh judge - but it is the SOLE arbiter of what works and what doesn't.

    Clearly the perceived wisdom (whether factually true or not) is that W8 does NOT work --therefore Ms need to change it - whatever the merits the OS actually has. It might only need a tiny change - but a change has to come -- that's the reality of the market place whether you like it or not. The fact that I and a few others can make it work quite ok is irrelevant to the marketing issue. The "Great Unwashed" don't like it --therefore it's time for another product.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #84


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Hi there

    Be careful what you say about "Teenage OS'es" -- the W8 interface bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Kiddies" section of AOL of a good few years ago - so what's the REAL teenage OS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I do not think there is much left of AOL form the heyday they were once. Be careful M$ you may end up like AOL.
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  5. #85


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    HG, you are a good man with very reasonable approaches. But sometimes I do not understand you - like here:

    Bottom line > I feel there are those that come on this “support forum” who have not entirely learned the new systems called Windows 8 or 8.1, which admittedly has a bigger learning curve, and bash it without giving it a fair chance. They have absolutely no idea that it’s a fusion of creativity and consumption system.
    I think there is something very new in the refuseneck of Windows 8. Unlike with Vista where the badmouthing came mainly from people that had never used it - like Microsoft has so well demonstrated with the Mojave Experiment - this time it is different.

    E.g. I myself have used 8 and 8.1 from day 1, still have two 8.1 sytems and had produced a dozen tutorials - they were not perfect but at the time they may have helped a few people. And I am sure that all of the people on this forum that are not convinced of the vitues of 8 and 8.1 have a fain hands-on background with the systems.

    And despite all that background, I still think that 8 and 8.1 is not suitable for prime time on the desktop. It is perfect for a tablet like my Asus Transformer and is probably also good for phones (I am looking now at the Nokia Lumia 521). However, if I imagine users that come from XP trying to cope with the two very different UIs, I think that is asking too much. And the Windows 7 users will not move anyhow because they have a perfect system already - they may only get into it (many with disgust) when they have to buy a new PC.
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  6. #86


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Hi there

    Be careful what you say about "Teenage OS'es" -- the W8 interface bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Kiddies" section of AOL of a good few years ago - so what's the REAL teenage OS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I do not think there is much left of AOL form the heyday they were once. Be careful M$ you may end up like AOL.
    AOL is great and hopping. That's all we have ever used for mail and never had the slightest problem.
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  7. #87


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    HG, you are a good man with very reasonable approaches. But sometimes I do not understand you - like here:

    Bottom line > I feel there are those that come on this “support forum” who have not entirely learned the new systems called Windows 8 or 8.1, which admittedly has a bigger learning curve, and bash it without giving it a fair chance. They have absolutely no idea that it’s a fusion of creativity and consumption system.
    I think there is something very new in the refuseneck of Windows 8. Unlike with Vista where the badmouthing came mainly from people that had never used it - like Microsoft has so well demonstrated with the Mojave Experiment - this time it is different.

    E.g. I myself have used 8 and 8.1 from day 1, still have two 8.1 sytems and had produced a dozen tutorials - they were not perfect but at the time they may have helped a few people. And I am sure that all of the people on this forum that are not convinced of the vitues of 8 and 8.1 have a fain hands-on background with the systems.

    And despite all that background, I still think that 8 and 8.1 is not suitable for prime time on the desktop. It is perfect for a tablet like my Asus Transformer and is probably also good for phones (I am looking now at the Nokia Lumia 521). However, if I imagine users that come from XP trying to cope with the two very different UIs, I think that is asking too much. And the Windows 7 users will not move anyhow because they have a perfect system already - they may only get into it (many with disgust) when they have to buy a new PC.
    I should have worded that differently. It should have read > "I feel there are some that come on this “support forum” who have not entirely learned the new systems". They bash simply because they don't like it or don't like MS as a company. A lot is just plain FUD with no reference to back it. It's all opinion.

    A question for you > If it's ok on a tablet or phone why is it not suitable for a desktop tower PC or laptop for that matter? Does it act different somehow on these devices?
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  8. #88


    Posts : 58
    windows 8.1


    There are those who would like whatever Microsoft puts out and think it is the best ever. And then there are those who look at it honestly and say Microsoft you screwed this one up, royally. I'm in the camp that Microsoft you screwed this one up royally.

    I am still trying to understand how people believe that Windows 8 is so fast. I run Mint (which in Linux circles is a bloat OS) on my old XP. Guess What? It is faster than my brand new 8.1 desktop. Nice. Oh and should I add that the 8.1 has more than 4 times the ram than the XP? But then again, I am not shocked by that fact, my PC-DOS ran quicker than my Win 3.1 machine. Dinosaurs do have speed, if you know how and can tweak them. And they can still get the job done without all the unnecessary so called bells and whistles. I honestly believe they are there for people who do not know how to use computers. Funny thing? Sit someone down in front of a computer that runs Ubuntu and they can use it right away. Sit them in front of Windows 8, they need help.

    Security...well the British did not rate the Windows 8 computers, tablets or phones high on the list. Sorry, Ubuntu 12.04 beat Windows 8. But perhaps that is not fair since Windows has always had a security problem and doesn't seem to fix it.

    Those that have actually used other OS wonder," Why do so many stick with that dinosaur called Windows"?
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  9. #89


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Some good points. I love Mint. It is my migration path if MS does not shape up.

    I made some boot and webpage start comparison of Mint with Windows 8 - in virtual so that I could record it - but it is an apples to apples comparison. The time that counts is from when the logo appears to the desktop. The preceeding time is VMware Player setup.

    Booting Windows 8 and Mint - YouTube
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  10. #90


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    A question for you > If it's ok on a tablet or phone why is it not suitable for a desktop tower PC or laptop for that matter? Does it act different somehow on these devices?
    On the tablet I operate with my fingers (or at best with a stylus) using the new UI exclusively. For that the new UI was designed and is convenient. And also, when I get a tablet, I know I have to learn a lot of new tricks. Not so when I just change the OS on a desktop I have had since 5 years.

    On the desktop/laptop I operate from the desktop and don't want to be involved with tiles when I want to e.g. go back to the Apps page. And I don't want those charms to pop up all the time, etc. Nor do I want applications that I don't know how to stop (WIN+F4 of course). And every time I hit a corner there is a new ghost appearing. I know all that can be 'tuned' and the desktop operation can be made nearly the same as in W7 - but try that on Joe Smith coming from XP. He wants to feel at home out of the box.
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