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Despite Imminent Retirement, More Users Move to Windows XP

  1. #51


    Posts : 58
    windows 8.1


    Unfortunately, there are those who don't think with their heart. Believe me, there are many in American who would absolutely love to have a hand me down XP computer. Be it a small business, a chartible organization, or a student, that old computer has helped many to excel in this world. The unfortunate part is that those old working computers can not handle the Microsoft's Newer OS. One Pa school has switched to Linux...savings on licences, $360,000.00. That sum is not small potatoes...computers are not cheap to have and maintain even in America.

    But what is interesting, how many more are going to go back to XP because now 8 is now the most vulnerable OS. Reason? Flash.

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  2. #52


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    But that is not a reason, in my opinion. Don't use flash.
    I know, easier said than done cause the whole world uses it.
    But if us techie's in general did stop,t hat would be significant enough to warrant something new.
    Or get Adobe off their butts to take notice.
    You can not blame Windows or MS in general for what a 3rd party unaffiliated company does with their software.

    That is like suggesting that Windows is no longer secure because someone installed Scamware on their system, don't get Windows.
    That's a pretty far out claim, don't ya think.
    Or, hey, it's too easy to find instructions on how to run as Root in Linux, don't run Linux, it is not secure.

    As for hand me downs and what not. that is one thing, but that is not what the original article is talking about.
    They are suggesting that, people hate Win8 so much they would rather run XP.
    I say, be weary of those that suggest such a thing.
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  3. #53


    Posts : 58
    windows 8.1


    Um, it was Microsoft's decision to use Flash for the Metro Desktop and it is intertwined in IE. Sorry. Their choice to use a known insecure product.

    It is not a question of hating 8 so much, it is the simple fact that quite a few old programs do not run on 8, not to mention the hardware 8 does not support. Aka...update to 8 and it necessitates updating other items. Hence it can be a costly. And I am not going to mention the learning curve etc, these points have well been covered before.

    Actually my post was in response to Lee's and others on the previous page. I do apologize for the confusion it might have caused. And I also am not too fond of multiple quoting, sometimes the meaning gets lost.
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  4. #54


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by ainteinstein View Post
    Unfortunately, there are those who don't think with their heart. Believe me, there are many in American who would absolutely love to have a hand me down XP computer. Be it a small business, a chartible organization, or a student, that old computer has helped many to excel in this world. The unfortunate part is that those old working computers can not handle the Microsoft's Newer OS. One Pa school has switched to Linux...savings on licences, $360,000.00. That sum is not small potatoes...computers are not cheap to have and maintain even in America.

    But what is interesting, how many more are going to go back to XP because now 8 is now the most vulnerable OS. Reason? Flash.
    This is very true. In my computer club (800 members) we collect about 10 systems each month which we refurbish and hand them out to needy families, safe houses for women, schools, etc. There is a great need for cheap access to the internet and many people cannot afford the gear. Maybe some of the cheap tablets will help in the future, but doing any serious work on a 7" screen without a keyboard is not obvious.
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  5. #55


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    But what is interesting, how many more are going to go back to XP because now 8 is now the most vulnerable OS. Reason? Flash.
    Plenty of people on win 7 and earlier using flash. Yet they are less vulnerable, apparently.
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  6. #56


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    From everything I have read, Flash has been fixed. So, it's a moot point.

    Windows 8 actually runs very well on older hardware, this is a known fact.
    Runs better than 7 on that same hardware.
    I have old PC's here, and Win8 runs extremely well on them.

    As for Software that may not run, that, no one can help with other than the developers of said software.
    Yes, it can be costly to some degree, depending. But, I haven't (personally) bought any new software that I run, in a very long time
    Stuff I run that worked in XP, works just fine in Win8.
    There isn't a large majority of people that run into these issues though.
    (i.e. yes there may be quite a few, but it's not an overwhelming number)
    Yes, we can argue those people that are affected, but,
    I think it's wrong to site that as a reason for everyone to stay away from Win8. It's a bit extreme.

    I am not saying there are not draw backs to upgrading, there always will be, no matter what. There is no way around that.
    But, that doesn't make, nor explain away what the original article attempts to claim.

    Granted there are those that can not afford to upgrade. I think that is neither here nor there.
    They weren't necessarily going to upgrade anytime soon anyway.

    Hand me down PC's for kids and stuff, I think it's great.
    Let them break it and fix it, it's what I did to learn in DOS, Win95, etc. etc.

    Be a good steward and explain the age and vulnerabilities and precautions to take.
    Maybe that is what is missing from this conversation.
    People taking personal responsibility for what they advise, and advise properly, not on personal feelings, but on real educated information. not just from what they read in some article either. But actually knowing and using, and real research.

    Advise on the reason they should upgrade, or save to upgrade, and the problems of not doing so.
    Not just cause they don't like the new OS.

    Win8 is a great OS over all.

    BTW: Every OS on the planet has vulnerabilities. There will never, ever, ever, ever,ever,ever,ever,ever be one that doesn't.
    Getting those vulnerabilities patched is what should count the most.
    But, if you are a target, and someone wants in your PC, (Linux, Mac, Windows, doesn't matter)
    if they are good at it and know what they are doing..... they are getting in........ unless you unplug from the net.
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  7. #57


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    I have to say, although I am not a Windows 8 fan for the desktop, it is an efficient system. I have 8.1 on this little device with 2GB of RAM, a modest Atom processor and a 30GB SSD and it works extremely well. I was really amazed.

    Boot time is 26 seconds (Event 100 in Event Viewer) and I still have 13GB free of the total 30GB after installing Office 2013 and a dozen programs. My user data and the images go on the 64GB MicroSD card - access to that card is a snap too.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 58
    windows 8.1


    Tepid... There is another thread in this forum, "New Windows 8.1 requirements..." that tends to point out that 8.1. because the core has changed, does not play well with older hardware even when they have been updated to 8.

    My Flash is still the same version as it has been for how long? And yes, I am up to date. But, then again, I do not use IE and wish I could remove it from my system. My one big issue with Windows, "No Tweaking Allowed".

    I did not mean that old computers should be "toys" to be broken. No, not at all. Whs's post explained it better than me. Thank-you, whs.

    And yes, I am more than aware that no system is "perfect" even PC-DOS had it's moments. However, to call Wim 8 great? No...very far from it.
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  9. #59


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by ainteinstein View Post
    Tepid... There is another thread in this forum, "New Windows 8.1 requirements..." that tends to point out that 8.1. because the core has changed, does not play well with older hardware even when they have been updated to 8.

    My Flash is still the same version as it has been for how long? And yes, I am up to date. But, then again, I do not use IE and wish I could remove it from my system. My one big issue with Windows, "No Tweaking Allowed".

    I did not mean that old computers should be "toys" to be broken. No, not at all. Whs's post explained it better than me. Thank-you, whs.And yes, I am more than aware that no system is "perfect" even PC-DOS had it's moments. However, to call Wim 8 great? No...very far from it.
    I think you refer to my post #54, not my last post. And you are welcome. I was just trying to shed some light on the realities of life - and that in the US. There are poor people everywhere.
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  10. #60


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    As for hand me downs and what not. that is one thing, but that is not what the original article is talking about.
    They are suggesting that, people hate Win8 so much they would rather run XP.
    I say, be weary of those that suggest such a thing.
    What are your suggestions for the observations presented by the article?
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