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Despite Imminent Retirement, More Users Move to Windows XP

  1. #31


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    How on earth is windows XP share increasing? It hasn't been on sale for 4 years. Plus, anyone who refuses to move on from XP, would have been doing so for years. Are people seriously choosing XP as the OS of choice to replace windows 8 on NEW devices, even going as far as putting on a cracked/illegal copy on just to have it? How are they even getting it to work on haswell/UEFI systems? Why don't they do this with windows 7 instead, it's 100000x better than XP. Yet they choose to go through all the hassles, and troubles, and headaches of trying to force XP to work on these machines (disabling AHCI, using legacy BIOS/IDE emulation, scouring the net for drivers that work for their hardware or just going without properly working hardware period, etc).

    It's ridiculous to hold back modern hardware with such a dated OS that doesn't support all the modern hardware features, let alone >3GB of RAM, where 4+ is the standard. Are people really choosing XP over 7 to replace 8 on high end, new computers? Boggles my mind...

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  2. #32


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    No kidding. I mean seriously, how dare people think and choose for themselves.... don't they know microsoft is doing the thinking and choosing for them...
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  3. #33


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    You're implying that it's completely acceptable to put windows XP on a 2013/2014 computer? Even though it may barely even work, or completely murder the hardware functionality in the machine? Would you find it acceptable if all they could use is the regular VGA driver and only have 640x480 16-bit resolution with no hardware acceleration whatsoever, just to use XP on too-new of a computer? Do you find it acceptable that windows XP is massively insecure, and is only going to be more so after MS stops patching it?

    Would you put windows XP on a core i7 machine with 8gb of RAM, 2GB video card, and SSD even though that would leave you with barely 2GB usable RAM, and a horribly used CPU, IDE-emulation on the SSD (nevermind no TRIM or other health functionality for the SSD, like proper sector alignment?)?

    XP does not support newer hardware standards, it barely supports SATA itself for that matter. What is so wrong with Windows 7 that people would rather murder their machine with XP instead? I get that people don't like 8, but there's windows 7, a very solid modern OS that still supports everything just fine. Why skip 7 and go all the way back to the stone age? It's just stupid.

    Windows XP only belongs on OLD computers that can't handle newer OS, and perhaps on old business machines that still run proprietary software. It does not belong on brand new hardware, it hasn't belonged on hardware since around 2009.

    Let's put it in a different perspective: Would you buy a brand new macbook pro and rip mountain lion/mavericks off and put like... Tiger or Cheetah version on it? Would you install an old linux distro with a 2001 era kernel on a new machine?
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  4. #34


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    No kidding. I mean seriously, how dare people think and choose for themselves.... don't they know microsoft is doing the thinking and choosing for them...
    It's a technical problem, no freedoms in jeopardy here. It's not even problem with XP itself, there's a 64 bit version too, the biggest problem is drivers for HW and newer HW that XP was never designed for. Security part can be circumvented by a good AV but it's a question how long it's going to support practically dead OS. It would be only fair for M$ to make it public domain since it is not supported any more.
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Do you find it acceptable that windows XP is massively insecure, and is only going to be more so after MS stops patching it?
    This is mostly M$ ooga booga scare tactic. Throw something like ZA Antivirus + Firewall on XP and configure it well and then the system is as secure as anyone could ever hope it to be running any Windows.

    I agree with your point of views though; don't get me wrong.

    Windows 7 is infinitely greater than XP in so many tech and non-tech ways.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    How are they even getting it to work on haswell/UEFI systems?
    That is only a problem if you are an Intel fan boy (fan girl).

    UEFI?
    If you have 2 TB HDDs (or smaller) and you don't care that you have to use the keyboard to select options in BIOS, what actual benefits does it provide?
    Secure Boot? Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Why don't they do this with windows 7 instead, it's 100000x better than XP.
    In Windows 7 & 8, where is the:
    • Built-in Context Menu editor?
    • "Read-only"file attribute that actually works.

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Yet they choose to go through all the hassles, and troubles, and headaches of trying to force XP to work on these machines (disabling AHCI, using legacy BIOS/IDE emulation, scouring the net for drivers that work for their hardware or just going without properly working hardware period, etc).
    AHCI drivers are ridiculously difficult to locate.

    If they are prepared to put in that much effort, it shows how much some people hate the newer versions of Windows (I'm not sure why they hate W7 though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    It's ridiculous to hold back modern hardware with such a dated OS that doesn't support all the modern hardware features, let alone >3GB of RAM, where 4+ is the standard.
    A RAMDisk takes care of that.
    Put your Page File and Temp folders on a RAMDisk and XP runs very smoothly.
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    How are they even getting it to work on haswell/UEFI systems?
    That is only a problem if you are an Intel fan boy (fan girl).

    UEFI?
    If you have 2 TB HDDs (or smaller) and you don't care that you have to use the keyboard to select options in BIOS, what actual benefits does it provide?
    Secure Boot? Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Why don't they do this with windows 7 instead, it's 100000x better than XP.
    In Windows 7 & 8, where is the:
    • Built-in Context Menu editor?
    • "Read-only"file attribute that actually works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Yet they choose to go through all the hassles, and troubles, and headaches of trying to force XP to work on these machines (disabling AHCI, using legacy BIOS/IDE emulation, scouring the net for drivers that work for their hardware or just going without properly working hardware period, etc).
    AHCI drivers are ridiculously difficult to locate.

    If they are prepared to put in that much effort, it shows how much some people hate the newer versions of Windows (I'm not sure why they hate W7 though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    It's ridiculous to hold back modern hardware with such a dated OS that doesn't support all the modern hardware features, let alone >3GB of RAM, where 4+ is the standard.
    A RAMDisk takes care of that.
    Put your Page File and Temp folders on a RAMDisk and XP runs very smoothly.
    But why would you put XP on a system like this in the first place? Windows 7 is way better. I'm pretty sure missing out on a context menu editor and read-only attributes aren't worth -everything else- you lose out on using XP on a modern system.
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    AHCI drivers are ridiculously difficult to locate.
    They are on all the chipset manufacturers' websites in addition to every motherboard or laptop site that has hardware support for AHCI. Intel/AMD/J-Micron/NVIDIA/ASUS/Sony/Gigabyte/Asrock etc....

    Also can easily be found on Microsoft Update Catalog.

    If anything, it's ever harder to install XP for most people because in lots of cases, you need the storage (AHCI or IDE) driver available beforehand for SATA ports. (Unless you get TPB version already included lol.)
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    But why would you put XP on a system like this in the first place? Windows 7 is way better. I'm pretty sure missing out on a context menu editor and read-only attributes aren't worth -everything else- you lose out on using XP on a modern system.
    Agreed.

    For my computer activities I use:
    • Windows 7 (~95%)
    • Linux Mint (~4%)
    • XP (~1%)


    AFAIK, I'm the only person in the entire World who complained about the missing Context Menu Editor and the modified behaviour of the "Read-only" attribute.

    However people still need XP for various random peripherals.
    My friend had to install XP on an Acer laptop because the USB programming tool he uses at work wouldn't run on Windows 7 or Linux distros.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    AHCI drivers are ridiculously difficult to locate.
    They are on all the chipset manufacturers' websites in addition to every motherboard or laptop site that has hardware support for AHCI. Intel/AMD/J-Micron/NVIDIA/ASUS/Sony/Gigabyte/Asrock etc....

    Also can easily be found on Microsoft Update Catalog.

    If anything, it's ever harder to install XP for most people because in lots of cases, you need the storage (AHCI or IDE) driver available beforehand for SATA ports. (Unless you get TPB version already included lol.)
    You'd think so wouldn't you.

    My friend and I spent 4 days trying to find a working AHCI driver for the Acer laptop mentioned above.
    We downloaded multiple drivers and tried various methods of installing them, but it failed every time.
    It wasn't possible to find one (or least one that could be installed during the XP install process).

    OTOH, It only took a couple of hours to find and install the correct one for my ASRock motherboard.
    It wasn't possible to install it during the XP install process (using a floppy).
    I had to create an XP install disc with the driver slipstreamed into it.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 12 Feb 2014 at 01:31.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    You Do Not Need SkyDrive/OneDrive To Create Documents.
    You can log in and save them there, or you can save them to local storage.
    Exactly.
    You missed the point though.

    It was suggested that Office 2013's OneDrive integration doesn't work on XP and that was a reason to stop using XP.

    If someone is using XP, they can still use earlier versions of Office (i.e. they don't need OneDrive, or Office 2013, to write Word documents or create Excel spreadsheets).
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