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Despite Imminent Retirement, More Users Move to Windows XP

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBScruffyBuck View Post
    Change is good...
    If someone is unfortunate enough to get a terminal disease, that is a change. It is good is it ?

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  2. #22


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    Cloud storage can be convenient. I use to store it some of my electronic books, music, and the like. I just never keep anything personal on it.
    I keep things that I wouldn't EVER want to lose, like documents and most of my pictures. I might even consider throwing my music library onto SkyDrive...

    Hint, I've gone through a catastrophic lose of over 500+ gigs of data a couple of years when I was actually starting up my personal backup method. Luckily for SkyDrive, I was able to keep about 90% of my documents and pictures, but lost ALL those films and videos, and ALL of my damned music that I spent so much time organizing, fixing metadata, and scouring for. Never again.
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  3. #23


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BBScruffyBuck View Post
    Change is good...
    If someone is unfortunate enough to get a terminal disease, that is a change. It is good is it ?
    That's a bit extreme...
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  4. #24


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    Not at all.

    There is a completely false assumption that any change and anything new is better.

    It is often worse, in some cases, far worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BBScruffyBuck View Post
    Change is good...
    If someone is unfortunate enough to get a terminal disease, that is a change. It is good is it ?
    That's a bit extreme...
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  5. #25


    Ocean Shores, WA
    Posts : 11
    Win 8.1 Pro and Win 8.1 RT


    The 12TB of storage wasn't what I worried about, in fact the drives in that ban remain connected now...and my 50g on SkyDrive is entrusted to keep safe all of the truly important stuff. The image I hoped to restore was more a matter of convenience, hence its having been burnt of the fly. Once I ran into the snafu of using 8./8.1 keys, it became just a bit of an obsession with me, at that point.
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  6. #26


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Just to give an idea of how old Windows XP is in computer terms...

    XP Pro (and I think other versions) had a rather nice Backup utility built-in. In terms of features it's much better than the backup built into Windows 7 or 8; it even allows selective file backup and restore which isn't so common on free backup utilities.

    As with all good backup facilities, there needs to be a way to create a bootable rescue disk on media.

    And in Windows XP Backup there is...
    ...with one catch.

    It has to be a floppy diskette!

    (OK, so I guess there might be workarounds but I suspect they aren't trivial.)
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    I fail to understand the usefulness of cloud storage, when I can use software like TeamViewer and access my computers from any where. I already have massive amounts of storage on my local machines.
    Cloud storage provides ease of access to multiple devices from anyplace you might be. Including, places were Teamviewer and such aren't installed or you wouldn't want to install them.

    For some, cloud storage is used like a backup. For example, with my dropbox account, the most important files I have are on my laptop, my wife's laptop, my desktop and in the cloud. If all of my PC's in my house were destroyed by fire, my cloud copy would still exist and I could get my files back.

    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    Plus, why would I trust any company with my personal data, and why would I add an additional monthly expense, just to rent space. What am I missing that makes the cloud so advantageous.
    #1). you can encrypt anything private to safeguard
    #2). the monthly expense is justifiable by some for sheer convenience of their data and the concept of a free backup solution as stated above.
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  8. #28


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Umm...no, where did I ever say I'm forcing anyone to buy anything that I approve of? Excuse me if I don't believe a 13 year old operating system shouldn't be bought or sold anymore when there is a proven version that more people use than anything combined as well as another that expands features of the last one even further.
    You wrote that people are idiotic for wanting to use XP on modern hardware.
    Therefore, to gain your favour, people must use an OS newer than XP.

    Also:
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Click image for larger version
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    So let me ask you this, if you were the lead engineer in the Windows division, you would literally say to everyone, "Hey guys, let's take Windows xp, build it onto the NT 6 kernel, and sell it to everyone as the new Windows!" I don't know about you, but that's a HUGE waste of time and energy just to keep an operating system that was improved (to very limited extents) with vista and vastly improved with 7. There is no need for a "better" Windows xp, vista, 7, 8, and 8.1 are the "better" versions of xp.
    It's only a waste of time if you can't sell enough copies to do better than break even.
    The recent $900M write-off comes to mind here.

    IMO, it would be more worthwhile to try to discover what things upset your customers and then fix those issues.
    Obviously the priority would be to fix the things that upset the majority of your customers first.

    Just because it is in MS' interest to extract more money from people, doesn't mean that ordinary customers, businesses and 3rd party coders receive any benefit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And besides, if you don't know the fact that IE is a different beast than chrome, firefox, safari, and opera by now; you should really do some research about how IE is a very deep system level component and not a side program that can just be loaded willy nilly just like that.
    I quote; "That's not an excuse WHATSOEVER."

    MS wrote the code and presumably they even have the developer documentation about it.
    You are basically saying MS is too incompetent to create a "standalone" version of IE.
    I'm not responsible for MS' incompetence and/or slackness.

    In any case, aren't users supposed to be able to completely uninstall IE from Windows 7 (and presumably W8) unlike earlier versions of Windows?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Maybe Microsoft decided IE 9 shouldn't be made for xp to force people to switch, I don't blame them.
    MS is responsible for its own competence/ethical/moral problems.

    If you use "standover tactics", you can't expect people to be favourably disposed towards you and your products/services.
    They might even try to find alternatives to your products/services.


    Note:
    As they are a rich company, obviously MS has made more good decisions than bad decisions.


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    Plus, why would I trust any company with my personal data, and why would I add an additional monthly expense, just to rent space. What am I missing that makes the cloud so advantageous.
    #1). you can encrypt anything private to safeguard

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    #2). the monthly expense is justifiable by some for sheer convenience of their data and the concept of a free backup solution as stated above.
    Not much use with slow Internet speeds that most people have to put up with (even in the US).
    Two-thirds of Americans surf the Web at less than 10Mbps | Ars Technica

    Using my Internet connection, the 60 GB that Coke Robot mentioned would take:
    • >5 days to upload
    • >1 day to download
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 05 Feb 2014 at 20:40. Reason: Quote Added, Clarification
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Why would I trust four hard drives of 3 TB+ per drive to hold some of my most valuable data? I don't, as that's why I like it so much and put a ring on it and back it up somewhere. Cloud storage at least with Microsoft means they have hard drives upon hard drives in RAID arrays on their giant servers somewhere where they, I think, have said they even store copies of your copy on them so in the event of their hard drives failing; there is still a copy retrievable (probably means they use Storage Spaces with the most redundant method with Windows Server). I could do that right now personally and throw things into a Storage Space pool, but then it means I ALWAYS have to have my main station running all day everyday in the off chance sometime in the week to access those files remotely. That means a monthly electric bill that is higher than I'd ever like it for something I'd need from time to time let alone the increased wear and tear on my hard drives.

    A yearly rent of 25 dollars for 50 gigs of cloud storage that I can access quite easily on my PC and Windows Phone without using remote desktop connections on a small screen, knowing that they simply have much vast resources than I do in keeping data stored, it's kind of a no-brainer. Keeping precious documents and pictures saved on cloud storage is better than having all methods of local storage die, get lost, or break down. Cloud is just another backup method.
    Hey whatever works for you. Gee whatever did people do before the cloud ???? Thank goodness "no-brainers" have someone else to rely on.

    I guess you answered my question, some may not feel confident enough in their own resources. I still keep my money under the mattress. JK.
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  10. #30


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    It doesn't seem too different desperately hanging on to data in the form of nostalgic photographic images, documents and recorded music and video, or desperately hanging on to a familiar old operating system.

    Being in my 60s I have lost parents and other elderly family members in the last decade and have had to sort through their lifetime collections of photos and letters and other documentary mementos, records, videotapes and ephemera.

    In the end most of it was trash. It would have taken an age to collate, read and understand it, so the pragmatic choice was to put it in the garbage, much of it unread, or not looked at.

    How much personal junk is stuck in the cloud because the originators have died or just lost access to their accounts, and how much more will there be in the future? Does anyone here leave their usernames and passwords with their Lawyers or in their wills every time they open a new account?

    No - the time for enjoying our effects is while we live, and it is little comfort to anyone if all our treasures are hidden in some inaccessible vault that dies with us.

    So let those who want to continue to use their teenage OSs continue to enjoy themselves while they may, and busy yourselves weeding out all your gigabytes of stored future garbage so that it won't take the rest of your life to peruse just a fraction of it or bore others with your holiday snaps of 2002, when you had a nice new shiny XP laptop to view your days snapshots on.

    Edit

    Just to add that in someone else's trash this week (with their blessings) I picked up a Sky + HD satellite box with 500GB hard drive and a 2004 Siemens Fujitsu XP PC with 250GB and 1 GB RAM which I will be turning into a Media Server to use with my little NOWTV Roku box. 0.75 TB local storage for nothing.

    So I am just as guilty as the rest of you!
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