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Despite Imminent Retirement, More Users Move to Windows XP

  1. #91


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    HG, you are a good man with very reasonable approaches. But sometimes I do not understand you - like here:

    Bottom line > I feel there are those that come on this “support forum” who have not entirely learned the new systems called Windows 8 or 8.1, which admittedly has a bigger learning curve, and bash it without giving it a fair chance. They have absolutely no idea that it’s a fusion of creativity and consumption system.
    I think there is something very new in the refuseneck of Windows 8. Unlike with Vista where the badmouthing came mainly from people that had never used it - like Microsoft has so well demonstrated with the Mojave Experiment - this time it is different.

    E.g. I myself have used 8 and 8.1 from day 1, still have two 8.1 sytems and had produced a dozen tutorials - they were not perfect but at the time they may have helped a few people. And I am sure that all of the people on this forum that are not convinced of the vitues of 8 and 8.1 have a fain hands-on background with the systems.

    And despite all that background, I still think that 8 and 8.1 is not suitable for prime time on the desktop. It is perfect for a tablet like my Asus Transformer and is probably also good for phones (I am looking now at the Nokia Lumia 521). However, if I imagine users that come from XP trying to cope with the two very different UIs, I think that is asking too much. And the Windows 7 users will not move anyhow because they have a perfect system already - they may only get into it (many with disgust) when they have to buy a new PC.
    I should have worded that differently. It should have read > "I feel there are some that come on this “support forum” who have not entirely learned the new systems". They bash simply because they don't like it or don't like MS as a company. A lot is just plain FUD with no reference to back it. It's all opinion.

    A question for you > If it's ok on a tablet or phone why is it not suitable for a desktop tower PC or laptop for that matter? Does it act different somehow on these devices?
    Well I for one came here to learn. I think the negative people mostly are like myself its a matter of expectation. We all expected a better win 7, instead we got a bunch of tiles that probably be fantastic on a tablet maybe on a cell phone. I don't mind a bit that I have to use a separate program to get my win 7 desktop back Classic Shell.

    To answer the question a tablet or Phone are intended to be used with out a keyboard or mouse, where as a Notebook or Work Station are intended to be used with keyboard and mouse. Over the years we have strived to make things quicker less clicks to accomplish a task. Where as the metro interface is slower more clicks to get where you want go. I'm older set in my ways and not interested in learning the Metro interface. I think I have a link somewhere that sends me back to the tiles. Otherwise I'm on pretty much just like my Win 7 machines. My phone is android and I'm happy with that, I just haven't figure out a good excuse to get a tablet seem like the NB and SP got it covered for me.

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  2. #92


    I don't know if I am highly adaptable by nature or because I started playing with Win 8 since Alpha ( separate HDD, boot thru BIOS of course) but I took to W8 like fish to the water. Never had major problems except for some drivers but had to go thru that with every Windows since beginning. I think I was most enthusiastic about Win 95 when it came out and than XP despite the fact that I had more problems with them than Win8. Missed most of the stuff with Vista because by the time I got to HW good enough for it, Win7 came out.
    Looking back, I think that for me at least, XP was most enjoyable Win ever, despite some early driver problems but even that can be somewhat excusable because it was my first 64 bit Windows.
    All that said, I am too baffled how is it possible to have " more users going to XP" (legally at least), unless somebody stockpiled thousands of copies.
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  3. #93


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    The Windows 8 Tile system is itself essentially DEAD too -- how many people here have an android smart phone with a DECENT size screen and can honestly say that endless screen swiping to find and run an app is ideal too. The screen swipe idea was good if you only have a FEW apps installed but these days - apart from the bloat installed on the phones people have many pages of apps so finding and running them is a big pain in the you know where. The old tile system would have been fine for mobile devices that only have say a few dozen apps on them -- any more and the limitations of the system become obvious.

    I defy any of you to "Tile-ize" this type of cascading menu system (scr shot enc) - and that's just with a FEW entries.

    Desktop type devices need a TOTALLY different interface -- and I suspect even the larger more powerful mobile devices will need a new interface soon too. (Also what about multi-monitor systems with concurrent windows open and active).

    Reminder for anybody who wants to create an easy customizeable cascading menu system on W8 / W8.1 WITHOUT registry hacks / 3rd party apps and which can be copied to other machines too.

    Creating Usable Pgm toolbar WITH sub menus

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #94


    Geneva, NY
    Posts : 20
    Windows 7 Home Premium, Win 8 Pro DVD


    There's a few programs that work fine in XP but either don't work or work like crap in Win 7. I upgraded to Win 7 Pro last year so I could get those going in XP Mode. Apparently I'm gonna have to set my firewall to block the internet in XP Mode next month. How do I do that?
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  5. #95


    Geneva, NY
    Posts : 20
    Windows 7 Home Premium, Win 8 Pro DVD


    I'm getting tired of my Android updating 100 apps everytime I turn it on. Does the Microsoft Store update their apps constantly so you can't do anything for half an hour while it updates every time you turn on your machine?
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  6. #96


    LOL! One thing I’ve noticed on forums is that the like kind herd together just as other species do. Power in numbers principle I guess.

    @ whs

    As you know members come and members go on forums, but I consider you a dedicated and constant member here along with many others. As you also know, we all have our own preference and way of interacting with a PC or device. We all have our preference of input method and personally tweak a system to our needs and desires. If you don’t mind me prying with some more questions to get to know your “style” better, to understand more of your technical expertise, and to clear up some things I’m not understanding in your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    On the tablet I operate with my fingers (or at best with a stylus) using the new UI exclusively. For that the new UI was designed and is convenient.
    Touch UI has been around for many years in many systems, but MS introduced multitouch technology in 7 and is more prevalent in 8/8.1. So in essence what you’re saying is that the new UI and/or layout of 8/8.1 is only “convenient” using touch input and that the mouse and/or keyboard input are not “convenient” for you? Did you use touch in 7 by any chance?

    Windows Touch - Microsoft Windows

    And also, when I get a tablet, I know I have to learn a lot of new tricks. Not so when I just change the OS on a desktop I have had since 5 years.
    You’re willing to learn “new tricks” on a tablet (or any device), but not a desktop tower PC (or laptop)? Is that what you’re saying?

    I know you worked IT as a career for many years. How did you fair going from command line centric MS-DOS (or any DOS) to a graphical interface? How did you fair going from let’s say Windows 95 to your next OS you used? Was it difficult to learn any new additions? How about when the mouse was introduced as a peripheral and means of input?

    On the desktop/laptop I operate from the desktop and don't want to be involved with tiles when I want to e.g. go back to the Apps page.
    I noticed in your training videos you seem to like the taskbar and desktop shortcuts/icons for launching apps/programs. We know the biggest difference in 8/8.1 is the replacement of the Start Menu with the Start Screen/All Apps. Probably the most “shocking” change. Did you refer to the Start Menu at times to launch apps? If so, how often?

    And I don't want those charms to pop up all the time, etc.
    I also noticed in your videos that you’re more “mouse-centric input” rather than keyboard. Is that a fair assessment? (More on your mouse pointer below)

    What does the “etc” entail?

    Nor do I want applications that I don't know how to stop (WIN+F4 of course).
    Not understanding this whatsoever so I’ll have to ask you to expound, please. Being more of a keyboarder myself I know Alt/F4 has been around for eons.

    And every time I hit a corner there is a new ghost appearing. I know all that can be 'tuned' and the desktop operation can be made nearly the same as in W7 - but try that on Joe Smith coming from XP. He wants to feel at home out of the box.
    Well, whs, the trick is not to place the mouse pointer in the corners. I had “Show Desktop” configured in 7 where every now and then my pointer would activate it. Took me awhile to learn not to do that.

    Yes, 8.1 can be configured to one’s liking more so than 8, especially for the “Desktopper”. Admittedly a MS blunder. MS should have thought that out better for sure.

    I think to be politically correct today we must needs include Suzie Q. Why do you think “Joe Smith and Suzie Q” won’t be able to configure things their way? Are not help files, MS site pages for help, MS videos, and help forums like this with tutorials all the same for everyone? How about “Joe Smith or Suzie Q” moving from XP to 7? Is there not changes they would have to learn? XP and 7 are like night and day when it comes to changes and additions, wouldn’t you agree?

    Have you seen how MS is putting forth a lot of effort with training for 8.1? Getting started tutorials for Windows - Microsoft Windows
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  7. #97


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    The Windows 8 Tile system is itself essentially DEAD too
    Dead?! Oh contraire! Many members here use the system’s Start Screen as intended. Personally I wouldn’t do without it.

    -- how many people here have an android smart phone with a DECENT size screen and can honestly say that endless screen swiping to find and run an app is ideal too. The screen swipe idea was good if you only have a FEW apps installed but these days - apart from the bloat installed on the phones people have many pages of apps so finding and running them is a big pain in the you know where. The old tile system would have been fine for mobile devices that only have say a few dozen apps on them -- any more and the limitations of the system become obvious.
    I know Android has an All Apps button, but I moved on to a much better phone system that works in conjunction with my 8.1 tower PC. I never have to swipe more than once either up or once sideways for All Apps, then up once to be within a second of opening an app I want.

    Swipe up once on the Home Screen which has about as many tiles. Mostly contacts/dialing shortcuts.

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    Or sideways for All Apps > Then up.

    Click image for larger version

    I defy any of you to "Tile-ize" this type of cascading menu system (scr shot enc) - and that's just with a FEW entries.
    Personally I don’t need to "Tile-ize" everything but what I use frequently or that I desire a live tile for. Worst case scenario is tap the WinKey and start typing just as I did in 7 and past OSs. WinKey/Q works great anywhere in 8.1 to find an app, WinKey/F to find a file, and WinKey/W to find a setting. Great additions to 8.1.

    Desktop type devices need a TOTALLY different interface -- and I suspect even the larger more powerful mobile devices will need a new interface soon too.
    I agree. That’s ok if one wants to remain on “Desktop type devices”. Personally I think they’re on their way to extinction. We’ll have to see which way the market goes.

    (Also what about multi-monitor systems with concurrent windows open and active).
    Not quite sure what you mean here. If it’s concerning W8 multi-monitoring problem, some members here report that 8.1 has worked out some of the problem, but continue to have a few minor things such remembering which monitor an app opened last.

    Reminder for anybody who wants to create an easy customizeable cascading menu system on W8 / W8.1 WITHOUT registry hacks / 3rd party apps and which can be copied to other machines too.
    Personally I don’t need any nor do I like cascading menus, especially on that small scale. That to me is a “big pain in the you know where”. I have tiles on a “human finger” scale that are much, much easier to use with any peripheral input or finger. And like I stated before > WinKey > Type or WinKey/Q > Type.

    Cheers
    Tony

    Edit:

    I forgot to mention there's a search to type or voice to speak so as to open an app on the phone.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 02 Mar 2014 at 10:30.
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  8. #98


    Quote Originally Posted by Cymbal Man Freq View Post
    I'm getting tired of my Android updating 100 apps everytime I turn it on. Does the Microsoft Store update their apps constantly so you can't do anything for half an hour while it updates every time you turn on your machine?
    I know your pain. I just switched to WP8.

    If your really asking > The amount of app updates appear on the Store tile to update at your leisure. Quite nice if one is on limited data so to wait until into a WiFi hot spot.
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  9. #99


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by Cymbal Man Freq View Post
    I'm getting tired of my Android updating 100 apps everytime I turn it on. Does the Microsoft Store update their apps constantly so you can't do anything for half an hour while it updates every time you turn on your machine?
    Right, that is a problem. Best way to avoid too many updates is to uninstall all apps that you don't need on a daily basis. And those that you use only sporadically, get them when you need it and uninstall thereafter.
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  10. #100


    Somewhere in USA
    Posts : 233
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I have to use XP at work. It sucks balls. I can't imagine why anyone would prefer it over 8.x. It's slow, buggy, and prone virus attacks.

    Still haven't needed an anti-virus with 8.1.
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