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Microsoft hide Metro start screen w/ Windows 8.1 Update 1?

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    My point was, that in the past you clicked the orb to bring up the old start menu. So new users seeing the orb would click it, that's all. The option to boot to desktop has been there since the 8.1 update. All they did was toggle the default to boot to desktop. For all we know its just a test and they will flip it back to what it is now. I really don't see why your making such a big deal about this.
    I am making a big deal about this because IF Windows automatically defaults to the desktop,
    then the desktop is where the menuing tool should be. Ok, so the taskbar and desktop can be configured to launch programs, but NOW the desktop becomes the focal point. It is a misdirection of purposes.

    If one boots to the start or apps, that is the focal point, It's like a crossroads, you can go in either direction.
    It is also true, that the desktop can be closed from the UI on the surface, and the metro UI cannot.
    The metro UI is the system shell. It is the center.
    Now they're saying, we're going back to make the desktop the center. Fine, but clicking the new and improved start button takes one to the metro UI then for desktop ONLY users, that new and improved hoax of a button will have to be disabled.

    Which takes me to the beginning, Microsoft doesn't care a flip if people are required by preference to install a desktop menu.

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  2. #42


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    My point was, that in the past you clicked the orb to bring up the old start menu. So new users seeing the orb would click it, that's all. The option to boot to desktop has been there since the 8.1 update. All they did was toggle the default to boot to desktop. For all we know its just a test and they will flip it back to what it is now. I really don't see why your making such a big deal about this.
    I am making a big deal about this because IF Windows automatically defaults to the desktop,
    then the desktop is where the menuing tool should be. Ok, so the taskbar and desktop can be configured to launch programs, but NOW the desktop becomes the focal point. It is a misdirection of purposes.

    If one boots to the start or apps, that is the focal point, It's like a crossroads, you can go in either direction.
    It is also true, that the desktop can be closed from the UI on the surface, and the metro UI cannot.
    The metro UI is the system shell. It is the center.
    Now they're saying, we're going back to make the desktop the center. Fine, but clicking the new and improved start button takes one to the metro UI then for desktop ONLY users, that new and improved hoax of a button will have to be disabled.

    Which takes me to the beginning, Microsoft doesn't care a flip if people are required by preference to install a desktop menu.
    The menu tool is there, click the orb and you'll see it. < That wasn't meant to be sarcastic by the way. Who said that new and improved hoax of a button will have to be disabled? You said it yourself, installing a desktop menu is a personal preference. So why force one on you if you decide to boot to desktop instead of metro? I don't want it, or need it, and I boot to desktop.
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  3. #43


    Manchester CT
    Posts : 693
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I am making a big deal about this because IF Windows automatically defaults to the desktop,
    then the desktop is where the menuing tool should be. Ok, so the taskbar and desktop can be configured to launch programs, but NOW the desktop becomes the focal point. It is a misdirection of purposes.

    If one boots to the start or apps, that is the focal point, It's like a crossroads, you can go in either direction.
    It is also true, that the desktop can be closed from the UI on the surface, and the metro UI cannot.
    The metro UI is the system shell. It is the center.
    Now they're saying, we're going back to make the desktop the center. Fine, but clicking the new and improved start button takes one to the metro UI then for desktop ONLY users, that new and improved hoax of a button will have to be disabled.
    Ahh Md, I see your point. Mind you, we can still pin stuff the the taskbar, put shortcuts on the desktop, and look stuff up under explorer, but THERE STILL WILL NO LONGER BE a menu, like the old Start menu was. So we have to go back to the start MENU screen to run a program, what the poor user was trying to AVOID by booting directly into the desktop. Again, MS is asking a lot from users to create their OWN way of navigating around the two distinct and completely different ways of handling programs. Now any sort of moderately savvy user can quickly fix this impasse, but for the rest of humanity, I am not so sure...
    This is NOT a solution or even much of a help. All MS is doing is clicking a box for us.
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  4. #44


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The Start Screen isn't all that different in functionality from your desktop with shortcut icons pinned to it. It may not look as good to some users but it works the same way. I do see why some want the old style start menu back but I thought this was a separate issue from the Boot To Desktop option? Like I've already said, its been around for a while.
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  5. #45


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    7601.18247.x86fre.win7sp1


    Just to add to the discussion in a meaningful way, when I was playing with 8, I did not like how when I would open an .mp3 or .jpg or even .pdf, it would pop up that thing in the top right saying "You have new apps that can open this" or similar.

    I am sure you guys figured out a way to to disable that and perhaps it only happens one time initially (I forget by now) - but it was still grrrrr. lol

    Maybe it did go away when setting default associations to what you want, but still....

    Edit: Found this how to disable - "New App Installed" Notification - Disable in Windows 8
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  6. #46


    Posts : 2
    winodws 8.1


    ModernMix and start8 are good tools.
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  7. #47


    How is this.

    Create a Metro app that runs in desktop mode that shows all the icons you see on the Windows 8 Start (Metro) Menu
    but in an old Windows 95/98/XP/7 style Start Menu. The user then can pin that app to the taskbar to use it straight
    from the desktop mode. This way those like myself that prefer the current Start Menu won't even have to bother with
    that app or pinning it to the desktop.
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  8. #48


    Posts : 66
    Windows 8.1


    What's the problem here? I love the metro screen at boot but you know what? When the update makes me boot directly to the desktop I will simply reverse it to the metro screen. It's not that big of a deal, I don't know why people are crying.
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