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Microsoft hide Metro start screen w/ Windows 8.1 Update 1?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    ok, so it auto starts the desktop app UI, but the desktop has no menu... unless one installs one. So, it's a little odd, isn't it? If you use the default 8 start menu, you must go to the modern / touch UI or the full screen desktop shell UI / tifkam. So, for the desktop modus folks, MS is assuming everyone will install a desktop menu ?? ...curious...

    No not necessary, not in my case anyway. The stuff I use everyday is pined to my taskbar, and that update is also rumored to allow you to pin Metro apps to your taskbar. So I'll be able to also launch the few Apps I do use from my taskbar without having to use the Start Screen. The Start Screen is only one click or key press away anyway so I see no need for a third party Start Menu. I boot to desktop now so it will be one less tweak I have to do.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    No not necessary, not in my case anyway. The stuff I use everyday is pined to my taskbar, and that update is also rumored to allow you to pin Metro apps to your taskbar. So I'll be able to also launch the few Apps I do use from my taskbar without having to use the Start Screen. The Start Screen is only one click or key press away anyway so I see no need for a third party Start Menu. I boot to desktop now so it will be one less tweak I have to do.
    Right, ok. But what about the desktop only users. The tifkam loathers. The folks that can't find the off switch.
    Where's my programs? Where's the menu? MS must be assuming people will install a menu if the desktop is the default. I am not talking about you or I, not about power users plus or anyone with skills. Are they going to display the desktop on new pcs at Best Buy? How will they do this without a menu?
    Asking an unskilled user to create a toolbar is a bit much. It's an odd issue.
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  3. #23


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    I have been saying lately that the people who have been complaining the most about the tiled Start screen are the ones who cannot figure out how to click the box to bypass it and boot directly into the desktop. My oh my, did I get flack over that!
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    No not necessary, not in my case anyway. The stuff I use everyday is pined to my taskbar, and that update is also rumored to allow you to pin Metro apps to your taskbar. So I'll be able to also launch the few Apps I do use from my taskbar without having to use the Start Screen. The Start Screen is only one click or key press away anyway so I see no need for a third party Start Menu. I boot to desktop now so it will be one less tweak I have to do.
    Right, ok. But what about the desktop only users. The tifkam loathers. The folks that can't find the off switch.
    Where's my programs? Where's the menu? MS must be assuming people will install a menu if the desktop is the default. I am not talking about you or I, not about power users plus or anyone with skills. Are they going to display the desktop on new pcs at Best Buy? How will they do this without a menu?
    Asking an unskilled user to create a toolbar is a bit much. It's an odd issue.
    I'm not sure what your getting at? The tifkam loathers would just set "Boot to desktop" and use a third party start menu anyway? The Start Orb will be on the taskbar so first time users will more than likely click that, which will bring up the Start Screen. The Start Screen isn't gone, its just not in your face on boot up.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    No not necessary, not in my case anyway. The stuff I use everyday is pined to my taskbar, and that update is also rumored to allow you to pin Metro apps to your taskbar. So I'll be able to also launch the few Apps I do use from my taskbar without having to use the Start Screen. The Start Screen is only one click or key press away anyway so I see no need for a third party Start Menu. I boot to desktop now so it will be one less tweak I have to do.
    Right, ok. But what about the desktop only users. The tifkam loathers. The folks that can't find the off switch.
    Where's my programs? Where's the menu? MS must be assuming people will install a menu if the desktop is the default. I am not talking about you or I, not about power users plus or anyone with skills. Are they going to display the desktop on new pcs at Best Buy? How will they do this without a menu?
    Asking an unskilled user to create a toolbar is a bit much. It's an odd issue.
    No worries, and really a non-issue. You'll still be able to set it to display either the desktop or Start screen at startup. It's just that in the update it will display the desktop by default now instead of the Start screen. Nothing else has changed about this.

    Desktop or Start - When Sign in or Close apps in Windows 8
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    Right, ok. But what about the desktop only users. The tifkam loathers. The folks that can't find the off switch.
    Where's my programs? Where's the menu? MS must be assuming people will install a menu if the desktop is the default. I am not talking about you or I, not about power users plus or anyone with skills. Are they going to display the desktop on new pcs at Best Buy? How will they do this without a menu?
    Asking an unskilled user to create a toolbar is a bit much. It's an odd issue.
    And there it is, again... the assertion that those who dislike tifkam are, for reasons never quite laid out, less than "power users", or somehow "unskilled".

    All things considered, pretty far off the mark.
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  7. #27


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    It appears like its a no win situation for Microsoft, at least here anyway. The cries went out that Microsoft wasn't listening and abandoned the Desktop PC users. Some of the ones that like Metro dismiss those complaints and get all smug and condescending. They are the happy campers. That just causes bickering between the h8ters and g8ters. Now it looks like Microsoft might actually be listening and the tide has turned. Keyboard mouse users are getting some of what they wanted and the Metro guys are crying foul. Even more bickering. For the record my comments are not directed at any particular forum member or limited to just this thread. It just seems to be trend that repeats over and over.

    I don't see how these changes are that big of a deal. Even if Microsoft sets boot to desktop as default you should be able to just toggle it back to Metro. If you don't want to Pin apps to the taskbar then don't. Most of the other changes just make metro Apps easier to use?
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  8. #28


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    There will still be a very real problem with Win8.1 booting directly into the desktop. Many extensions are defaulted to Start Menu apps such as e-mail, web browser, photos, music, etc. That means the average user will constantly be jumping into and out of Metro apps IN THE DESKTOP until they somehow figure out how to change the default program. What a mess this will cause! No, this "little" change is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    There will still be a very real problem with Win8.1 booting directly into the desktop. Many extensions are defaulted to Start Menu apps such as e-mail, web browser, photos, music, etc. That means the average user will constantly be jumping into and out of Metro apps IN THE DESKTOP until they somehow figure out how to change the default program. What a mess this will cause! No, this "little" change is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.
    So how does booting to Metro instead fix that?
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    There will still be a very real problem with Win8.1 booting directly into the desktop. Many extensions are defaulted to Start Menu apps such as e-mail, web browser, photos, music, etc. That means the average user will constantly be jumping into and out of Metro apps IN THE DESKTOP until they somehow figure out how to change the default program. What a mess this will cause! No, this "little" change is opening a whole 'nother can of worms.
    Yet another non-issue. This is just another option that can either be or not be used.

    Personally, I think it will make it easier for the average user by making it easier to switch between modern and desktop aps.

    Let's keep this thread a friendly discussion shall we, and not let it turn into a gripe session over issues that are really not issues if you look deeper into them.
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