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Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux

  1. #101


    And some can take about half an hour to just load (linux live) Anyway, looking from a simple desktop user position, there always is some showstopper bugs in linux. I'd say after 10 years linux should become usable on desktops for simple users (as a professional, you can do anything with anything, so there isnt much to talk about).

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  2. #102


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    For me, there was never Windows vs. Linux, it's AND in between. Both of them have pros and cons and have their place. It's just the question of being able to use two or more OSs, or chew gum and......
    That is exactly the case. You use them where they fit best. I use Mint in Virtual to go to the internet and Mint on the stick to recover data from my friend's dead Windows systems - and they always brick their Windows. For that I use a 128GB stick so that I usually do not even need another external device to recover the data. I have a 115GB data partition right on the stick. For the rest I use Windows - Vista, 7 and 8.1.

    If somebody is trying to tell me that Linux is no good or difficult to use, they don't know what they are talking about. If you pick the right distro, it is a pleasuer to work with. Just stay away from the Redhat systems. With those you need advanced skills.
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  3. #103


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    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    But you cannot drive both cars at the same time. And vm's are too slow - it requires ferrari, if you want to run vw golf, but why would i want golf, if i already have ferrari ? And you could do even bigger orgy - you could include some NOTmobile phones, some cloud computing and run every step of your work in a different environment, but whats the point of that ?
    I am sorry, but you are not well informed. I run 5 different Linux virtual systems on my desktops and on my laptop - and I have them installed on an external disk that I attach via eSata, USB3 or USB2. The speed is quasi the same as the native OS which is Windows 7 in all cases. If you give it 1GB of RAM and a couple of procerssors, it will run really great.

    I also run Windows 8.1 in that mode - and that is a lot more demanding on resources than Linux. Have a look at a demo I made with Windows 8.1.

    And here is a boot time comparison booting 8.1 in virtual and Mint in virtual. Here you see that Mint is a lot faster - also in bringing up webpages. The boot times are from the time the OS logo appears. The rest is VMware Player setup time.
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  4. #104


    I'm not informed, i tried everything myself and i know it, i dont need to read some rumors to know anything, and the speed is not near at what i call usable. VM is used for situations, where you just cant use dual boot, so therefore you use windows as main os, you use some programs in windows, you use some vm program with linux in it - that requires a lot of ram, 8 gb minimum, because my 4gb ram gets full instantly and puff, plus you need at least core i7 to keep all these things running and not under "not responding". Also, ssd is quite a requirement to, as using simple hdd with vm is just a pain in the bottom. So, as you can see, you need to have quite a powerhorse, if you want to use all things comfortably, without cutting your veins during loong load times.
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  5. #105


    It's also well known in IT servicers circles, If you are not sure if something is wrong with HW or SW (OS) try booting with live Linux and if it works than you know that it's not HW. Linux works in closer relation to HW, without intermediates like DirectX, .NET etc.
    It's silly to discount anything a priory because of some psychological barrier like "I don't like it, I don't understand it or can't be bothered to learn it, therefore it's no good". I use Linux Mint of latest generation and it boots from a 32BG USB2 drive in less than 2 minutes, which is about same as XP did from HDD on computers made at that time. It may look longer because of verbose listing of what it's doing but for people that know Linux, that says a lot even before desktop becomes usable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    I'm not informed, i tried everything myself and i know it, i dont need to read some rumors to know anything, and the speed is not near at what i call usable. VM is used for situations, where you just cant use dual boot, so therefore you use windows as main os, you use some programs in windows, you use some vm program with linux in it - that requires a lot of ram, 8 gb minimum, because my 4gb ram gets full instantly and puff, plus you need at least core i7 to keep all these things running and not under "not responding". Also, ssd is quite a requirement to, as using simple hdd with vm is just a pain in the bottom. So, as you can see, you need to have quite a powerhorse, if you want to use all things comfortably, without cutting your veins during loong load times.
    You must have had a different experience than myself. I am running very well on an old Inspiron 530 with a Q6600 that has 2.4GHz and 4GB of RAM. I split the resources 50/50. Note that all my virtual systems run from an external disk (SSD) and there is very little difference between USB2 and USB3. Even eSata (which I have on another system) is hardly any faster. The host Windows 7 is also on a small 60GB SSD that you can buy for $50.

    The main reason why I keep all the systems on an external SSD is because we live in different locations and also travel a lot. With the external approach I have to maintain only 1 set of systems and not 6 - one for each of my systems. Plus Windows 8.1 I need only once (1 license) because VMware Player is the system where it is installed - not the actual hardware on which it runs.

    I don't think that RAM or CPU is such a big factor (within limits) for the performance. It is the disk which is the bottleneck. But these days where you can get a 60GB SSD for $50 and a 120GB SSD for $70, there is no reason to keep the OS on a spinner.

    Here is a lineup of my virtual systems on the external SSD.


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  7. #107


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    ... It's silly to discount anything a priority because of some psychological barrier like "I don't like it, I don't understand it or can't be bothered to learn it, therefore it's no good".
    Interesting. Isn't this exactly what so many say about the metro UI, metro apps, start screen,
    the direction of Microsoft, the choices they make to improve the system etc...

    I wonder how many contributors here have read the blog post / article
    Five reasons I'd rather run Windows 8 than Linux | ZDNet
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  8. #108


    Its not that i dont like it, i just like to keep things as simple as possible, i dont give a damn about what most of the people do in this world. A choise is given to people be the devil, therefore i prefer one perfect and simple way to do one thing. A choise leads to competition, competition leads to lower quality, as most people dont care about quality, they just want more functionality, you can see for yourself how low microsoft has felt with that. I prefer quality and speed over functionality.
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  9. #109


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    Interesting. Isn't this exactly what so many say about the metro UI, metro apps, start screen,
    the direction of Microsoft, the choices they make to improve the system etc...
    Its not exactly improvement what ms is doing, they are just doing some coke and messing with windows code. You think that such a smart people should make rock solid decisions about their product, but they are just literally blending sh1t and praying to the ancient gods to give them a miracle... no wonder corporations like this are in murica...
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  10. #110


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    Quote Originally Posted by nonono View Post
    Its not that i dont like it, i just like to keep things as simple as possible, i dont give a damn about what most of the people do in this world. A choise is given to people be the devil, therefore i prefer one perfect and simple way to do one thing. A choise leads to competition, competition leads to lower quality, as most people dont care about quality, they just want more functionality, you can see for yourself how low microsoft has felt with that. I prefer quality and speed over functionality.
    Now we are getting to the heart of the discussion - at least as far as I am concerned.

    I use Linux virtual for browsing on the web because it is a million times safer than Windows - even if you have the best AV program installed. And switching between Windows host an Linux virtual is done with 1 click.

    Linux on the stick I use to rescue data from crashed Windows system - and believe me there are a lot of those in my computer club with 800 members.

    Those are 2 excellent Linux applications where Windows cannot compete. There are also a few select applications where I prefer to go with Linux. But for the rest I use Windows even if it is more complex and slower.
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