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Microsoft loses money on each Surface sold

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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    In what kind of business are you - Salvation Army ?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Nuff said. This discussion is useless. You just don't get it. But if you are happy to operate your 24" screen with 8.1, so be it.

    I have one advantage - I have 7 on desktops and laptops and 8.1 on desktops and a tablet. So I can compare.
    This is what Microsoft should do. Release Windows 9 Desktop edition with classic start menu. Take out everything that has to do with Metro. This edition would be for non touch screen devices. Release Windows 9 Hybrid edition with classic start menu if needed and access to metro apps. I guess this is for hybrid laptops? Release Windows 9 Tablet edition. This edition would not include the legacy desktop and only provide full metro experience but runs with Intel/AMD. This edition would be optimized for tablet computers only with a significant increase with battery life and only include modern tablet computer drivers with support for peripherals.

    Well the tablet edition would technically die like Windows RT but its worth a try for them with Intel or AMD processors.
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    Yeah right - get all that touch stuff out of non-touch PCs, period. Keep things simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ksdixon View Post
    I must say that most tablets or hybrids only having 1GB or 2GB memory, 32GB storage space, and sometimes shared/integrated graphics, and may not have a kickstand or keyboard included in their price (they come as separate/optional accessories instead)... I really do have to keep reminding myself that for it's WAAAY higher price the Surface Pro Gen1/Gen2 is better in pretty much every way.

    But I do stand by my logic that if MS have a bunch of unsold WinRT Surfaces (the huge writeoff), then they should be upgrading each to Win8.1 and throwing them at people for cheap/free... just to get them 'out there' where people can experience all at once the improvements of 8.1 vs 8 vanilla, touchscreen controls vs fumbling around win8 with a mouse on a non-touch desktop pc etc.
    +1000

    most people don't understand that the Surface Pro is the Lexus of Tablets. It runs circles around many more expensive laptops. If you use a docking station you probably can replace average desktops with it. It probably would be good if MS would sell an x86 tablet with less power. But on the other hand, Dell, Asus etc. sell the low-power x86 tablets, so no need for MS to do that.
    That's just your opinion. For some, and I'd bet it's a majority, the Lexus of tablets cannot be a tablet that weighs 900 gr and it's 13.50 mm thick. That's why they buy iPads. They know it's not going to replace their laptop and you know what? They don't care.
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    This argument goes on and on and on...

    I'm going to say this one more time: YOU CAN AVOID METRO AND USE ONLY THE DESKOP IF YOU'RE USING A DESKTOP! Seriously, it's not that had folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruudfood View Post
    This argument goes on and on and on...

    I'm going to say this one more time: YOU CAN AVOID METRO AND USE ONLY THE DESKOP IF YOU'RE USING A DESKTOP! Seriously, it's not that had folks.
    You are not getting the point. There are many other things you have to change in order to have the known system environment. Just take the applications as an example. On my wife's new system I had to download Windows live and change all the file associations for those programs. She did not want e.g. the Photo app because she uses the traditional programs to edit her pictures.

    The same for other programs. It is e.g. not possible to pin a Command Prompt in elevated mode to the taskbar. I had to go to the file location, make a shortcut, make the shortcut elevated and stick it into my Toolbar.

    Now all of that is doable and is no rocket science. But there are a lot of those nits and lice that a 'normal' user probably does not want to bother with.

    I have no problem with 8.1 - in fact I like the system. It just needs a lot of TLC to make it usable on the desktop. On my wife's new system I spent 3 days off and on to get it to where she wanted it.
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    people just do not understand the potential they are looking at
    There it is again. The target customers are too stupid. The truth is the product offering is wrong.
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    Bill Gates knows what I want. A tablet or a "paper tablet" that can recognize handwriting with precision and clarity. No more wasting paper to do math problems. Save all the notes neatly electronically. If Microsoft Surface had this feature, then I would gladly buy their tablet. Wish Bill Gates came back to Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was working on this secretly and later calling it innovation. Microsoft is too slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    That's just your opinion. For some, and I'd bet it's a majority, the Lexus of tablets cannot be a tablet that weighs 900 gr and it's 13.50 mm thick. That's why they buy iPads. They know it's not going to replace their laptop and you know what? They don't care.
    i think some people don't understand what the W8 tablets are for, they are for actual work. Like using Word, remoting in your desktop etc. they also work with all the MS applications (i.e. sharepoint). One can buy the cheaper 3rd party x86 tablets, or the "Lexus", the MS surface Pro 2.

    They are not meant to compete with iPads, if angry birds, browsing and listenting to fart apps is all you do, the Surface Pro is way overblown.

    You know, it is called surface Pro, so it is not necessarily priced for the home user (although it is not that bad, considering laptops are not much cheaper). A student also could use it as desktop replacement. You know, for all the stuff that only works on x86. It is the first viable alternative to laptops wile being mobile and useful for x86 work, which 99% of the world business depends on.

    The iPad is not even competing. TThe Surface Pro is like a Semi Truck, it is in the market for hauling actual goods. You know, actual work. Semi trucks are not competing with 2-seaters. Of course the Mini will be cheaper and look sexier than a Semi, but will totally fail in professional applications.
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    Comparing the Pro with an iPad is the wrong comparison. I compare it with my $399 laptop which has an i5 and 6GBs of RAM. I added $70 for a 120GB SSD and I am sure that can do anything you can do with the Pro. And when we are on the road, we use a $329 Asus Transformer for keeping up with things which is just as good as the Surface Pro. It comes with Office 2010, but who wants to make a PowerPoint presentation on a 10" screen.

    And for real tablet applications I use my $199 Nexus. There I can do navigation and make free calls from Europe to the US. None of that is available for the Pro - it does not even have a GPS or GNSS not to speak about the missing programs.

    All 3 units together cost as much as one Pro and can do a lot more - best bang for the buck. And don't tell me that I have to haul 3 systems - I don't because when I am on the road, I don't do any real work. All I need is my 7" Nexus and the misses takes the Transformer because she has to deal with 100 mails each day. That's how women are, LOL.
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