Windows 8's complexity tax shackles Microsoft

Hm, I'm not sure I'd call it taxing to use, not for the everyday stuff anyway. Some of the settings and configuration options can be a PITA to find though for first time users. I do think they should have refined 8 more before releasing it. Some of what's in 8.1 should have been in 8.0 from the start. If your one of those that h8ts Metro its of little consequence to you though. There are a few of use that do like it.

Really? Windows is soooo Complex, OMG, I can't hardly click on an icon it's soooooo hard to comprehend.
uhg, I just can stand these icons that are the same on every modern OS on the planet. But soooooo complex on Windows
How do I click this frigin Windows ICON?
Oh cool, I do the same click action on ChomeOS and wow, my app opens, that is friggin awesome.
So much easier than clicking an icon on Windows.

How did I ever manage with Windows Complexity for soooooo looooooonnnnnggggg.

Can these articles get any more Blatant (Paid article by ChromeOS)?
Let's throw in a small good measure at the end just to not seem so obvious,,, oh,, 3 pages in.

Wondering how much they got from Chrome for that article Advertisement.

Paradoxically, the fact the new entrant has less-than-desired performance makes it even better from a user experience standpoint. And, when the performance gets close enough, that user experience advantage makes it an obvious choice over a higher-end product that does more, in every sense of the word."

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Wow, can anyone make something of Low Grade, do less product sound soooooo appealing?
The blatant misinformation in this article is astounding.

So, let me get this straight, consumers want lower end, less efficient, do less, toys?

FUD.

Tepid said:

So, let me get this straight, consumers want lower end, less efficient, do less, toys?

FUD.

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Yep they seem to be buying Android Tablets.

labeeman said:

Tepid said:

So, let me get this straight, consumers want lower end, less efficient, do less, toys?

FUD.

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Yep they seem to be buying Android Tablets.

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It seems to me that the younger generation just want something that works. If all your doing is Facebook, Yahoo and Hotmail and all you have to do it poke this icon that's what they buy. Tech Enthusiasts and IT types are more demanding and more hands on getting into the nuts and bolts of things. PC gamers likely fit into that too. My wife and daughter fit into the social media it doesn't matter what it is type. As long as they can access Facebook etc it doesn't matter if its Windows or Android or whatever. They could car less about device manger, control panel etc. That's what I'm for when it won't work. I'm a gamer and I build my own desktop pc's. I'm picky about what I buy for a laptop and what OS is on it. I'll tell you right now if my wife had to snake her way though the Windows 7 start menu to launch her programs she would have a fit. I had to pin it all to the taskbar and make Facebook her home page. She had no problems with Windows 8 though once I replaced the Metro IE to the desktop version. Different strokes for different folks.

Tepid said:

Really? Windows is soooo Complex, OMG, I can't hardly click on an icon it's soooooo hard to comprehend.
uhg, I just can stand these icons that are the same on every modern OS on the planet. But soooooo complex on Windows
How do I click this frigin Windows ICON?
Oh cool, I do the same click action on ChomeOS and wow, my app opens, that is friggin awesome.
So much easier than clicking an icon on Windows.

How did I ever manage with Windows Complexity for soooooo looooooonnnnnggggg.

Can these articles get any more Blatant (Paid article by ChromeOS)?
Let's throw in a small good measure at the end just to not seem so obvious,,, oh,, 3 pages in.

Wondering how much they got from Chrome for that article Advertisement.

Paradoxically, the fact the new entrant has less-than-desired performance makes it even better from a user experience standpoint. And, when the performance gets close enough, that user experience advantage makes it an obvious choice over a higher-end product that does more, in every sense of the word."

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Wow, can anyone make something of Low Grade, do less product sound soooooo appealing?
The blatant misinformation in this article is astounding.

So, let me get this straight, consumers want lower end, less efficient, do less, toys?

FUD.

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Give me a break. By far the vast majority of computer users neither have, nor want, your alleged superior knowledge of all things computer. They just want something that's easy for them to use for what they want to do. How many drivers actually know how the engine in their car works? I can tell you, it's not many. They just want their car to start and run.

I am far from a clueless beginner. The first computer I operated and programmed was the size of a refrigerator and booted with a paper tape. My first "PC" was an Apple II, and I've been using, programming, and modifying them ever since. Guess what?? I HATE Windows 8. I HATE the newest versions of MS Office with the stupid ribbon. I HATE touch screens. The list goes on. When I buy a tool, I'm not interested in all the possible esoteric things it can be made to do; I just want it to be easy to use for what I bought it for. Buying a new PC these days is like having to learn to drive all over again every time you buy a car. It shouldn't be that way.

md2lgyk said:

Buying a new PC these days is like having to learn to drive all over again every time you buy a car.
It shouldn't be that way.

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lol. I was at Best Buy last night to buy a small monitor and noticed a group of people sitting in chairs while being instructed how to use an Apple computer. It was a group Apple (how to use it) session!

mdmd said:

md2lgyk said:

Buying a new PC these days is like having to learn to drive all over again every time you buy a car.
It shouldn't be that way.

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lol. I was at Best Buy last night to buy a small monitor and noticed a group of people sitting in chairs while being instructed how to use an Apple computer. It was a group Apple (how to use it) session!

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Actually, yes it should, and more.
There should a be a requirement to have a Computer User License (Like a DL) to ask/request support of any kind.
If you don't know what a Right Click is. Sorry, you are out of luck, I am not going to train you to support you.
If you want/need training, I will provide that, but it will be a nominal fee of course.
Then I will provide you support, again, for an additional nominal fee of course.

You do have to admit that there are many and I mean many people who do not care what a computer has. For example, people who are not into computers and look at the specs, they're gonna be reading it like gibberish talk. If you say, "It's got an Intel Core i5 processor with hyper threading blah blah" the person is just gonna ask you if its fast or not lol. Since the Start menu was a Windows iconic feature, people will freak out because its not there. Everybody got used to it, including myself.

But you have to realize that a laptop and a desktop computer was meant for precision when working with programs, hence mouse and keyboard. There is no need for the tablet interface on a Windows computer. Why stick it in there when you know its not a touch device?

I like how Apple is keeping its desktop interface on their computers. If it works, why change it? You can make improvements to make things faster under the hood, but only change the interface if its really necessary.

Microsoft made Windows 8 because they had no tablets and they needed to compete with iPad and Android. Windows 8 was probably not even in their vision because if it was, it would have been a natural progression, not two interfaces in one OS.

Why didn't Microsoft rewrite Windows for touch computers? Why wasn't there a Metro office experience since the beginning? Microsoft is just following and well now they made a frankenstein of Windows.

This is why people are complaining. They went from a classic Windows experience to shoving Metro that has no use in the laptop and desktop world.

If people want to simply look at their email or use Facebook, where do they go? They go to their phones and tablets. Simple tasks can be done easily on these devices, that's what they were made for. (The Windows desktop on a tablet is a joke, so much for making it easier). I'm not sure but all I can say is that Microsoft is lost.

There is no need for the tablet interface on a Windows computer

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I like it.

...now they made a frankenstein of Windows.

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:shock: :huh: What? Really?

Ummm, is that really your start screen? You're gonna scare people from Windows with this lol

BlueMasterFX said:

But you have to realize that a laptop and a desktop computer was meant for precision when working with programs, hence mouse and keyboard. There is no need for the tablet interface on a Windows computer. Why stick it in there when you know its not a touch device?

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If you are working in a program your not in Metro so what does it matter if its a touch interface or not? It's only used to launch the actual program. Which can be done quit easily with a mouse or keyboard or touch screen. When I say program I'm referring to a desktop program, not a Metro App. I fail to see the logic in your above statement.

alphanumeric said:

BlueMasterFX said:

But you have to realize that a laptop and a desktop computer was meant for precision when working with programs, hence mouse and keyboard. There is no need for the tablet interface on a Windows computer. Why stick it in there when you know its not a touch device?

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If you are working in a program your not in Metro so what does it matter if its a touch interface or not? It's only used to launch the actual program. Which can be done quit easily with a mouse or keyboard or touch screen. When I say program I'm referring to a desktop program, not a Metro App. I fail to see the logic in your above statement.

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Simple. You claim that the "Start Screen" is to launch applications. #1 A desktop computer does not need a full screen application launcher. #2 The task bar already takes care of your pinned applications. #3 The desktop itself allows you to add icons to quickly access applications. #4 The start menu gave you quick access to search files and folders without shoving the full screen search in your face. #4 The "Start Screen" is out of place when it comes to multiple displays. #5 What's the point of the "Start Screen" when you have all of these features at your disposal. #6 Why not leave the classic start menu? It it hard for Microsoft to keep it?

And do you honestly believe that the start screen is really that, a "Start Screen"? No my friend. This is the beginning where Microsoft wants to kill the legacy desktop. Simple.

Windows 7 was a great operating system. Microsoft makes me so mad that I just want to hit everybody at Microsoft. Why not make Windows 7.1 or whatever? With that, everybody will be happy and then Microsoft can go to their little corner and make their little Metro OS with their tablets. They make these stupid decisions. Who's in charge of the Windows team?

I don't know, maybe I need a break from the Windows world or something. Long live Windows 7. Maybe when Apple said that they had a clear vision for their desktop, they weren't kidding.

BlueMasterFX said:

alphanumeric said:

BlueMasterFX said:

But you have to realize that a laptop and a desktop computer was meant for precision when working with programs, hence mouse and keyboard. There is no need for the tablet interface on a Windows computer. Why stick it in there when you know its not a touch device?

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If you are working in a program your not in Metro so what does it matter if its a touch interface or not? It's only used to launch the actual program. Which can be done quit easily with a mouse or keyboard or touch screen. When I say program I'm referring to a desktop program, not a Metro App. I fail to see the logic in your above statement.

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Simple. You claim that the "Start Screen" is to launch applications. #1 A desktop computer does not need a full screen application launcher. #2 The task bar already takes care of your pinned applications. #3 The desktop itself allows you to add icons to quickly access applications. #4 The start menu gave you quick access to search files and folders without shoving the full screen search in your face. #4 The "Start Screen" is out of place when it comes to multiple displays. #5 What's the point of the "Start Screen" when you have all of these features at your disposal. #6 Why not leave the classic start menu? It it hard for Microsoft to keep it?

And do you honestly believe that the start screen is really that, a "Start Screen"? No my friend. This is the beginning where Microsoft wants to kill the legacy desktop. Simple.

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Getting back to your original statement. Clicking a tile to launch a program is no different than clicking a shortcut on your desktop. How much precision do you need for that? The Metro Start screen is no less precise with a mouse than it is with a touch screen. A good quality touch screen with stylus can be just as precise or more precise than your mouse.

I run a triple monitor setup on my desktop. The stuff I use everyday is pined to my taskbar. Other frequently used programs and apps are pined to my Start Screen. The rest is on the all Apps screen. I find the search quicker and easier than navigating the old start menu. With my setup I hardly ever have to use it anyway. I can launch the Start Screen from any one of my three monitors, you can't do that with the Windows 7 Start Menu. I can also run Metro apps on one or all of my monitors at the same time if I want. They open on the screen Metro was launched on. Metro isn't hindering my multi monitor setup. I don't see how its out of place.