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Microsoft may bring back full start menu with 8.2

  1. #161


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    It's easy if not easier to arrange those tiles in the way you like them versus on the Desktop.
    I think a lot of people would disagree with that comment. I find the auto shuffle when you move one tile around to be a real pain. Being locked into stacked columns of two isn't ideal either. You have to fill the first two columns top to bottom before you can go three wide in a group. And then you have to go 4 wide if you add any more. Arranging Icons on the desktop is a lot less restrictive. I like Windows 8 but this is one aspect of the Start Screen the really annoys me. IMHO, its anything but easy to get things just the way you want them. YMMV.
    They would, but I like the auto shuffle. Everything always auto positions perfectly! And anyway, my preference is to only keep a few tiles pinned that I use everyday. I can pin and unpin as needed, also > I don't use groups. I let the apps area handle that.
    That's why I added the YMMV. Its not so bad once you get used to it but I still find it annoying. I would think a lot of fist time users may find it frustrating. I hardly ever use the All Apps screen. My everyday stuff is pinned to my taskbar. Other frequently used programs and the Metro apps I use are on my Start Screen. I have 4 groups on the go right now.

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  2. #162


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    I had to do a bing search on ymmv.
    What does it mean?

    "Your mileage may vary"
    "Your mother's mini van"
    "Your market may vary"

    I don't know?

    I can see people getting annoyed.
    But then most are not even aware of this feature...

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    I understand completely that people are used to a start menu and that it works better for them.
    I know that the taskbar is a better option for most.
    My interest is totally in using something different.
    I understand most like to stay on the desktop to work, but I like this new stuff!
    Last edited by mdmd; 08 Jan 2014 at 17:26.
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  3. #163


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    It's easy if not easier to arrange those tiles in the way you like them versus on the Desktop.
    I think a lot of people would disagree with that comment. I find the auto shuffle when you move one tile around to be a real pain. Being locked into stacked columns of two isn't ideal either. You have to fill the first two columns top to bottom before you can go three wide in a group. And then you have to go 4 wide if you add any more. Arranging Icons on the desktop is a lot less restrictive. I like Windows 8 but this is one aspect of the Start Screen the really annoys me. IMHO, its anything but easy to get things just the way you want them. YMMV.
    Yeah, that's a gripe I have with the Start Screen customizing with the tiles. It's not like on Windows Phone where you can just arrange it however you bloody feel like, it's literally Tetris. On Windows 8, it's more tedious than that.
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  4. #164


    Well, it looks like this debate will be going on and on and on.......
    Sorry, Windows users: Leak suggests next big Windows 8.1 update won?t include Start menu
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  5. #165


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Well, it looks like this debate will be going on and on and on.......
    Sorry, Windows users: Leak suggests next big Windows 8.1 update won?t include Start menu
    That was a worthless article. . .that picture wasn't even worth a couple of words little own a thousand. . .
    Last edited by Lee; 09 Jan 2014 at 11:02.
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  6. #166


    Figured that much but still would not place any bets on Start Menu return.
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  7. #167


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I had to do a bing search on ymmv.
    What does it mean?

    "Your mileage may vary"
    "Your mother's mini van"
    "Your market may vary"

    I don't know?

    I can see people getting annoyed.
    But then most are not even aware of this feature...

    Click image for larger version

    I understand completely that people are used to a start menu and that it works better for them.
    I know that the taskbar is a better option for most.
    My interest is totally in using something different.
    I understand most like to stay on the desktop to work, but I like this new stuff!
    YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary, That's what its always meant to me anyway.

    I don't like the Metro Version of IE so I use the desktop version. I use POP3 for e-mail and thus use Outlook. That puts me on the desktop for most of what I do. On the Metro side about all I use their is the Weather App, Slacker Radio and Netflix. I have three monitor setup so Metro Apps run on one monitor, IE on my main screen and Outlook on the third. I have Metro and Desktop running side by side.
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  8. #168


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't like the Metro Version of IE so I use the desktop version. I use POP3 for e-mail and thus use Outlook. That puts me on the desktop for most of what I do. On the Metro side about all I use their is the Weather App, Slacker Radio and Netflix. I have three monitor setup so Metro Apps run on one monitor, IE on my main screen and Outlook on the third. I have Metro and Desktop running side by side.
    I have recently been annoyed a few times by the metro ie and usually run my radio programs, Netflix, amazon and hulu on the desktop version so that they do not auto pause. I have never heard of ymmv before. That pic about apps by most used is for anything that is executed including file explorer, or anything on the desktop. I don't use metro apps much either. Mostly use it for Eight Forums, or Best Buy, Newegg or other non audio/video media website because it is always maximized and I don't have to fiddle around with tabs or resizing. I also use Pop3 Live Mail but now only use 1 monitor which is a 37" HDTV and NOT wasted space > critics . On a personal note, I noticed you are from up North, nice! My grandparents lived in Bic, QC before moving South to New Bedford for employment.

    Others disagree with me, but I think the start screen is a desktop shell for launching pinned desktop programs (or anything else), and the apps area is the Windows 8 start menu that does all the organizing automatically like a menu. That is why I don't use groups on the start screen. I posted about this way back, but recreating the apps area on the start screen seems to me a waste of time. Would anyone recreate their desktop start menu on the desktop. I suppose those that like dozens of desktop icons plastered on their wallpaper would do that! There are customization tools for creating titled icon groups for the desktop.

    The metro UI is a bridge between WinRT and Win32 and an executable platform for both.

    For most apparently, the metro UI is simply too different.
    They say it works on a small screen but does not work on a larger screen non touch PC.
    I will never agree with this. I must argue against the contenders that insist it has no place on a desktop PC. Or that it was not designed for the desktop. It absolutely is! The mouse and keyboard work beautifully with tifkam. I could post videos of how effortless everything works, but I think most are used to a classic shell or Windows 7 style menu and have no interest in anything else.

    I get offended by critics that say it is $%^&.

    Sorry. I like this.

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    Last edited by mdmd; 09 Jan 2014 at 12:54.
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  9. #169


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Well, it looks like this debate will be going on and on and on.......
    Sorry, Windows users: Leak suggests next big Windows 8.1 update won?t include Start menu
    WAY too soon build wise for a feature like that to be put in.

    The leaks next month and in March will more accurately show what will included feature wise. I know pretty sure that the digital assistant from Windows Phone 8.1 (that will be released sometime April) will be added onto Windows 8.1 and Xbox One.
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  10. #170


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    Vista and Win7


    Coke, what does that do ? Is that a must have.
    the digital assistant from Windows Phone 8.1
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