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Microsoft to shake-up Windows 8 Start screen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Again, Developer Preview guys! No one ever said an OS that is at this stage was final. For crying out loud....
    Yes, I know, but MS have not made any sentiments on making any major change, based from leaked screenshots and videos we've seen of the Beta. I really want them to make refresh and reset possible without the installation media but they have not said anything about that.

    This is not the final build but it already gives impression to people whether its a thumbs up or thumbs down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Again, Developer Preview guys! No one ever said an OS that is at this stage was final. For crying out loud....
    Yes, I know, but MS have not made any sentiments on making any major change, based from leaked screenshots and videos we've seen of the Beta. I really want them to make refresh and reset possible without the installation media but they have not said anything about that.

    This is not the final build but it already gives impression to people whether its a thumbs up or thumbs down.
    From what has been communicated thus far, the only substantial change in the Metro Start Screen is a better scrolling capability. Now, of course, it is possible that MS has decided to make this whole screen optional but I strongly doubt it.
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    Consumer Preview in late February, only then will we know.

    My prediction is they will try to make everybody happy, sure, they are trying to push the new UI but, they know how fickle the Windows users can be...
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    With a little luck Microsoft will give everybody what they want, a choice !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    Consumer Preview in late February, only then will we know.

    My prediction is they will try to make everybody happy, sure, they are trying to push the new UI but, they know how fickle the Windows users can be...
    I have been reading many comments right now and the pundits are in agreement that what you have seen in the Developers Preview is very much what you would get in the "consumer preview" plus a better way of scrolling with the mouse in the Start Screen. In fact, the pundits are complaining that Microsoft is not accepting any input and it only listens to its "inner voice".

    Overall, I do not think that the Metro would become optional. If it does, it would only be because of strong push back by Windows users. But then, MS would have lost the fight to have the same code base in phones, tablets, laptops and desktops. It would have to "hardwire" the Metro Start Screen in tablets, but somehow, allow it to be removable in desktops/laptops (where the largest installed base is going to be). I just do not see this happening.
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    Metro is here to stay -- simply because it is by far the most beautiful and productive UI for DESKTOPS, laptops, tablets and phones. Metro haters are the exact same group of people who hated the Ribbon, they are the same people who complained when Windows 95, XP's Luna theme and Vista's Aero theme first came out. These people hate any kind of change, even when it is SCIENTIFICALLY proven that the change is more productive and user-friendly. Microsoft is VERY good at ignoring this bunch of Luddites and doing the right thing for the majority of its customer base.
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    pezzonovante said
    even when it is SCIENTIFICALLY proven that the change is more productive and user-friendly.
    I like to see proof of that statement. And I want it in regards of computer operating systems. Also no one is against change in this
    forum, we're the type of people that like to get into the guts of an O/S, not get a water down Mac O/S clone. I can basically guarantee
    no one in this forum have been about point and click and that's all there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    pezzonovante said
    even when it is SCIENTIFICALLY proven that the change is more productive and user-friendly.
    I like to see proof of that statement. And I want it in regards of computer operating systems.
    A good example is some people complaining about the fact that Start Menu has been replaced by the Start Screen. Microsoft has clearly explained with great detail why the new Start Screen is FAR more productive than the classic Start Menu for any kind of task.
    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
    Designing the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
    Reflecting on your comments on the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    And they have done the same about the Ribbon UI:
    The Story of the Ribbon - Jensen Harris: An Office User Interface Blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
    Browse by Tags - Jensen Harris: An Office User Interface Blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    But some so-called "power users" -- who are actually afraid of change -- think they are too smart even when they are proven wrong.
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    pezzoneovante said
    But some so-called "power users" -- who are actually afraid of change -- think they are too smart even when they are proven wrong.
    Not true at all actually, I just want to see this so-called SCIENTIFIC evidence. I find it hard to believe that with other problems
    in the world today, they would actually go to the cost, and time to research and study something that seems to myself as so mundane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pezzonovante View Post
    Metro is here to stay -- simply because it is by far the most beautiful and productive UI for DESKTOPS, laptops, tablets and phones. Metro haters are the exact same group of people who hated the Ribbon, they are the same people who complained when Windows 95, XP's Luna theme and Vista's Aero theme first came out. These people hate any kind of change, even when it is SCIENTIFICALLY proven that the change is more productive and user-friendly. Microsoft is VERY good at ignoring this bunch of Luddites and doing the right thing for the majority of its customer base.
    With all due respect, what a crock.

    1.) I loved the ribbon since Day 1, love Aero - hate Metro. Why is it so hard to understand the valid criticisms? Instead of insulting people for not thinking like you, try to understand the other side. You think Metro is the most beautiful and productive UI for desktops? I think it's clunky, intrusive, impractical, pedantic, etc. The entire design to me is just awful. It's like nailing a 2nd grade bulletin board on top of the desk you want to do all the work on. I'm all for Windows blowing up the old OS model and trying something new, but there is nothing about Metro, as it stands now, that appeals to me. Lots of people here have explained their criticism in detail for months, but for some reason you ignore that and just call them Luddites.

    2.) You say it's SCIENTIFICALLY (all caps, even) proven that the change is more productive and user-friendly. What if this website decided to publish in Latin? You couldn't post anything unless it was in Latin. You think that change would be helpful? You see how it kinda matters what you're changing? How many Windows users can you SCIENTIFICALLY prove will be more productive with Windows 8? I'd like to see that evidence right now.

    You don't even realize you're engaging in the very behavior you claim to despise.
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