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New USB plug coming: Good news, bad news

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    New USB plug coming: Good news, bad news


    A new USB plug is coming and the impact is a bit of a mixed bag. The good news is that the new USB plug will be reversible so you won't have to fiddle around with it like you do today. The bad news is that the new USB won't be compatible with existing connectors.

    Cue up the extra ports and time to phase out existing hardware.

    According to the USB 3.0 Promoter Group, an organization that proposes standards and thinks about things like USB ports, work on USB 3.1 has begun. This new USB Type-C connector will "enable thinner and sleeker product designs, enhance usability and provide a growth path for performance enhancements for future versions of USB."
    Read more at: New USB plug coming: Good news, bad news | ZDNet

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    Reminds me of ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post

    Cue up the extra ports and time to phase out existing hardware.
    ...
    This new USB Type-C connector will "enable thinner and sleeker product designs, enhance usability and provide a growth path for performance enhancements for future versions of USB."
    Sound more like they are hoping it will "provide a growth path for manufacturer's profits".

    Pointless changes and intangible or nebulous benefits.
    Reminds me of something else ... W8.
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    For those of us who have been around for a few decades, new plugs are just part of the business.
    Does anyone remember those HUGE SCSI connectors? Or ISA buss connectors? How about more recently, and the Parallel Printer Port connectors?

    Smaller, and faster is the way this business works.

    I had to add a new PCI card to my desktop, to run SATA III drives, and another new card to run USB-3.0
    ,,, 3.1 is just a natural. I wonder if I can buy an add-on card for that.
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    I just bought a 32GB stick. It is about as wide as a quarter and also appr. as thick.
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    An important quote from the proposed specifications.

    As the new USB Type-C plug and receptacle will not directly mate with existing USB plugs and receptacles (Type-A, Type-B, Micro-B, etc.), the Type-C specification will define passive new-to-existing cables and adapters to allow users to use their existing products
    .

    Going to need a bigger bag to carry the additional cables.


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    Not sure if this is related but I just got a new HP Pavilion 17-e019dx Core I3 Haswell 17 3" laptop ($399 Best Buy Cyber Monday special) I'm trying out and it has two alleged USB 3 ports and 1 confirmed USB 2 port. BUT no normal USB 2 plug will fit into the USB 3 ports! They look almost identical but it's just a tad too small to fit USB 2 plug.
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    Greg, if you look at the ports, are they somewhat blue inside. If yes, USB2 sticks should fit. Or maybe you need one of these guys. I have 2 of those and they are really small.

    Silicon Power Touch T01 Mini 8GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive - Newegg.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    Not sure if this is related but I just got a new HP Pavilion 17-e019dx Core I3 Haswell 17 3" laptop ($399 Best Buy Cyber Monday special) I'm trying out and it has two alleged USB 3 ports and 1 confirmed USB 2 port. BUT no normal USB 2 plug will fit into the USB 3 ports! They look almost identical but it's just a tad too small to fit USB 2 plug.
    I have 2 USB 3 (blue) and two USB 2 ports on my ASUS K75DE. My USB 2 cords etc all plug into the USB 3 ports. They don't go in at all or only part way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    Not sure if this is related but I just got a new HP Pavilion 17-e019dx Core I3 Haswell 17 3" laptop ($399 Best Buy Cyber Monday special) I'm trying out and it has two alleged USB 3 ports and 1 confirmed USB 2 port. BUT no normal USB 2 plug will fit into the USB 3 ports! They look almost identical but it's just a tad too small to fit USB 2 plug.
    I have 2 USB 3 (blue) and two USB 2 ports on my ASUS K75DE. My USB 2 cords etc all plug into the USB 3 ports. They don't go in at all or only part way?
    I don't think there is any difference in the sizes of the USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 A type plugs are the same physical size with USB 3.0 having added 4 contacts on the other side or to side that USB 2.0 do not have? USB 3.0 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia USB has different B plugs than USB 2.0 and some new configurations we didn't need with USB 2.0, the A style plugs we are all familiar with with the extra 4 contacts are so short in the Female version that it can be a problem keeping them connected. This was an issue 2 years ago. I think most of the cable manufactures have improved these contacts that we are not seeing the problem as often. I Have 3 units with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 slots and both USB 2.0 and 3.0 fit and work interchangeably no problems of course USB 3.0 only works as USB 2.0 in a 2. port. This is true for the Standard A type ports M F B type connectors are different not compatible.

    Update this excerpt for the linked Wikipedia
    A USB 3.0 Standard-A receptacle accepts either a USB 3.0 Standard-A plug or a USB 2.0 Standard-A plug. Conversely, it's possible to plug USB 3.0 Standard-A plug into a USB 2.0 Standard-A receptacle. Similar principle of backwards compatibility applies to connecting USB 2.0 Standard-A plug into a USB 3.0 Standard-A receptacle. The Standard-A is used for connecting to a computer port, as the host side.
    Since USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 ports may coexist on the same machine and they look similar, the Standard-A USB 3.0 connector has a blue insert (Pantone 300C color). The same color-coding applies to the USB 3.0 Standard-A plug.
    USB 3.0 also introduced a new Micro-B cable plug, see photo on the right. It consists of a standard USB 1.x/2.0 Micro-B cable plug, with additional 5-pin plug "stacked" on side of it. That way, USB 3.0 Micro-A host connector preserved its backwards compatibility with the USB 1.x/2.0 Micro-B cable plugs.
    Last edited by Clintlgm; 06 Dec 2013 at 09:12.
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    That micro B USB plug looks like the one on my USB 3 external drive enclosure. The cable that came with it and plugs into it fits nice an tight. The extra power is nice as I don't need a separate power pack or second USB plug to get the needed power to run the drive inside it.
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