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Windows 8.2. New Changes Are Coming

  1. #131


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    Hi guys
    C'mon get this thread back on track -- There's utterly No point in behaving like a bunch of idiotic politicians screaming and yelling saying "My way or No way".

    Windows is akin to a piece of wood -- people will work the wood in many different ways and what is good for one won't be good for another.

    Same with windows -- it's just a TOOL -- how you use your computer is UP TO YOU.

    For some the Metro UI is fine - for others it is HORRIBLE - for instance if you need to design complex engineering machinery - you might need at least 3 complete screens to explode various parts of the machine while a 4th could be used as a very sensitive pen to draw a part to scale.

    Nothing to do with Modern, Progressive or all the other claptrap that's been thrown around in the thread.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    No, because under the hood (gui) 8.1 is better, imo...
    And so is engine and chassis.
    ok. Yes. Right. But as Windows 8+ is designed,
    tifkam is just a Launchpad for the under the hood gui engine and chassis.
    And, I am guessing Windows will only get more enhancements to tifkam.

    To me, it's about what's new. A new approach to using Windows.

    ...one of those folks who feels it is a mission in life to prove to other people why their declarative statements aren't true...
    Not really. I don't care. It's like one says, your stuff is junk, and I say, no it isn't. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    For some the Metro UI is fine - for others it is HORRIBLE - for instance if you need to design complex engineering machinery
    I agree with you up to a point. We go down different roads. I would never argue about concurrent windows and nesting because that is not what tifkam is about. Metro is not designed for complex engineering applications or SAP. It is simply an enhanced gui that can be used to access Store Apps or pinned desktop applications or shortcuts that run in Win32. a launchpad
    My gripe is with the critics who want to hack it off because they don't like it.
    That is why I say, Windows 7 or UNIX does not have tifkam, so why not use it?
    ok. Windows 8 is better

    This thread is about the changes coming either speculation or gossip.
    I doubt the OP article is worth anything.
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  4. #134


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    How do I know...? Maybe, because as I've said, they advertise the RT ui approximately 700% more than the explorer.exe ui for Win8?...you can point me toward a Microsoft ad for Win 8 that shows a desktop festooned with shortcuts instead of tiles...
    WinRT UI as seen in stores on systems is what Microsoft wants us to see. WinRT is part of explorer.exe. You want to turn off the metro, go to task manager and select explorer or Windows Explorer and end task.
    To restart, Ctrl Alt Del > Task Manager > select new task, enter explorer.exe.

    I think the old fashioned desktop festooned with shortcuts is what they are trying to get away from.
    Anyway, for those that could not find shut down I can see the difficulty.

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  5. #135


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This whole Windows 8 issue is not about the new UI or one tile more or less. It is about the direction that M$ is driving the market and the future implicatio on your pocket book.
    Hi there.

    Markets go where THEY want to go -- businesses can push and strive to nudge (or even co-erce) them into directions they THINK the market OUGHT or WANT it to go but it doesn't happen -- Markets are fickle unpredictable institutions that do what THEY want to do.

    Anybody who even slightly thinks OTHERWISE should certainly stay away from any sort of Stock trading or any other sort of trading --and you can see the past is littered with a whole slew of products that logically had a possibly great future but just never made it whereas a load of inferior products did for example the whole VHS vs BETAMAX thing in the days of Videotape, or Minidisc vs Cassette tape or even CD. SACD also hardly got passed the drawing board but fairly poor quality music via Ipods etc ruled the roost.
    Blu Ray Discs also are living on borrowed time as Internet downloads at decent video quality become increasingly more available.

    If the market doesn't like windows 8..1 or future releases it won't succeed - if the market likes it it will. This isn't really about innovation per se but whether Ms can continue to make money in what is essentially a mature and stable - possibly even a decreasing market.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Jimbo, your theory works when there is healthy competition in the market. But when 1 company 'owns' 95% of the market, the users really have no realistic choice - except the few sophisticated ones.
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  6. #136


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    Metro is not designed for complex engineering applications or SAP.
    I think it is designed so that they can catch the last moron (and their money) on the planet - but they may end up with morons only. They are easy prey.
    Last edited by whs; 26 Nov 2013 at 18:16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Metro is not designed for complex engineering applications or SAP.
    I think it is designed so that they can catch the last moron (and their money) on the planet - but they may end up with morons only. They are easy pray.
    Funny. But missing the point. How many millions of programs have been sold for the desktop?
    Office, Adobe, Games, Utilities, Anti-Virus etc etc... millions of programs sold online or retail for the Win32 desktop. Are consumers and businesses spending billions of dollars on desktop programs as you describe?

    Cloud services, skydrive, thousands of online services are all desktop based.
    Are desktop users who engage in commerce as you describe?
    How much do these engineering programs for the desktop cost? Thousands?
    Are people who buy networking tools, servers and cals, video editing, and cad programs as you describe?
    Today, how many anti virus (for the desktop) retailers sell lifetime licenses?
    It's about what's new. What's next. Not oppression.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Metro is not designed for complex engineering applications or SAP.
    I think it is designed so that they can catch the last moron (and their money) on the planet - but they may end up with morons only. They are easy pray.
    There are thousands of free metro apps available and you can ignore all of them.

    If you wish to characterize people that way,
    I would apply similar attributes to those that say 8 is unintuitive.
    I grow fatigued in trying to explain how Windows NT6+ works and why.
    Have a nice day.
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    You are obviously missing my point - which I may have worded wrong. The point is that the new UI is trying to attract people that have no intention (or are not capable) to learn anything about computers. They just want to push buttons like at the McDo's cash register. And the new applications are the same - everything comes out of the can, just put it into the microwave.

    This way they can convince even the most sceptical person to buy a system. Why do you think they made all those commercials with little kids demonstrating Windows 8 - like a Playmobil.

    And guess what - all those sophisticated people in those companies that use the advanced applications that you are describing don't seem to buy Windows 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think it is designed so that they can catch the last moron (and their money) on the planet - but they may end up with morons only. They are easy pray.
    Oh Wow! I'm a moron (that should be 'prey' by the way).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mart44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think it is designed so that they can catch the last moron (and their money) on the planet - but they may end up with morons only. They are easy pray.
    Oh Wow! I'm a moron (that should be 'prey' by the way).
    Thanks - My English is not too good. Corrected it.
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