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  1. #61


    Posts : 162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    From what I have seen on my part, I know many of my mates use Desktop gadgets like Calendar and Clock even on their notebooks with small screens really. They could have the Clock gadget even display their names which is fun and I would expect power users to use the All CPU Meter like I do. And there's even a fun and simple Desktop gadget called Piano which is much less of a hassle than the Piano app you see on the WDP's Metro. I suggest you guys try that. One of my closest mates, recently got his new Toshiba netbook and it even has a Desktop gadget that acts like a Wifi radar which is looking great for us.

    If I am not wrong, I think they call that new bar on the side of Windows 8's desktop the "Charms Bar" but from what I saw, I think it only displays the same four functions that you see when you click at the left bottom side of the Windows 8 Start Button. You get Settings, Devices, Share and Search and it doesn't have yet the ability to have Metro app tiles pinned on it.
    I use gadgets a lot. Not only do I have the clock, calendar and weather, but I use the Pandora gadget, a gadget for NPR and BBC steering, and one for the Dilbert cartoons. I also have a very useful gadget for Wifi networks and analysis. I find these gadgets very useful and great time savers. The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information.

    However, this is the wrong discussion. Win8 is not a desktop OS and nobody should even attempt to make it so. Win8 is a mobile OS. Microsoft's own PR is talking about "breaking away from the desktop". Thus Win8 looks and behaves like a mobile OS. According to Microsoft, "desktop users will need to adapt"

    So, guys, start adapting and do not try to convince anybody that Win8 is an efficient desktop OS. It is not, and it is not going to be.

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  2. #62


    The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information
    Actually metro can easily display more information using same or even less space (due to ignoring visualisation and focusing on content) compare to traditional gadgets.

    The problem is that this is still a Developer Preview, hence there are not many metro apps that take advantage of live tiles.
    And it seems like people have wrong idea of Metro. Its not squares or full screen apps. The idea of metro is to focus on content and thus bring you all your needed information in clear (usually typographic form), easily readable form.

    And live tiles are created to make sure that you will never actually have to open the app itself, You can just get required information "at a glance". Thus in most (almost always) one won't open the app and see whole screen app.

    It is hard to illustrate it in Windows 8, right now, due to the lack of apps taking advantage of TRUE metro (live tiles)
    However one can clearly see it in WP7.

    Click image for larger version

    This is just one app taking advantage of live tiles (Though this is not be the best implemention, but it still works for my illustration). As you can see it is giving the required information using less space then both iOS or Android. One could argue that other platforms will give you it in more visually pleasant way. But the point of metro is to provide information in a clear way, not visually active way.

    What I am trying to illustrate here is that Windows 8 metro apps should aim for the same usability. Thus they would easily be able to display required information in more clear way while using less space comapred to traditional gadgets as seen on Vista, Windows 7 or KDE plasma. In some way similar to gnome conky but with more visual clarity and consistency.

    There is already some progress of achieving it in Windoows 8 as you can see from mail, weather and news apps in the screenshot:

    Click image for larger version

    However they are still unfinished and feel raw. It doesn't yet achieve the level of interactivity (seamlessness) I am trying to illustrate, hence the reason for Developer Preview, so developers can build those apps. Hopefully till the time we reach beta there will be enough apps that will take advantage of metro, live tiles and toast notifications.

    EDIT: Even Rainmeter themes emulating Windows 8 Metro can already show potential of the design:

    Click image for larger version

    As you can see from tiles like weather, mail, player (Pandora if you want...), system Storage (that could easily be CPU as someone here mentioned), moon phase and etc. Admittedly this is not Windows 8, but it still can show the potential of the design which could be better but in no way worse than classic gadgets.
    Last edited by Jav; 29 Jan 2012 at 16:45.
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  3. #63


    Posts : 162
    windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Jav View Post
    The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information
    Actually metro can easily display more information using same or even less space (due to ignoring visualisation and focusing on content) compare to traditional gadgets.
    Believe me, I fully aware of what Metro does in its "Start Screen". I am still not interested. There is really not much more usability there than in the gadgets of the Win7 desktop. If "Metro" could have been integrated into the desktop, then it would have been just a change of programming paradigm, but it is not. '

    In any case, what "Metro" does is done much better by ICS. However, you do not have to even go there. You can run all of the Android apps in the Win7 desktop. Just sign up for the Bluestacks "Apps Player" beta.
    Run Android on Windows with BlueStacks :: Android on PC :: Android Player for Windows | BlueStacks

    As you would see, the "Apps Player" is also compatible with the Win8 start screen, if this is your type of thing. I still prefer running them at the desktop but you can see here how the concept works in Win8

    BlueStacks promises 400,000 Android apps for Windows 8 (hands-on video) | The Verge

    But I much prefer buying an ICS tablet, anyway, if I ever going to buy a tablet.
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  4. #64


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    From what I have seen on my part, I know many of my mates use Desktop gadgets like Calendar and Clock even on their notebooks with small screens really. They could have the Clock gadget even display their names which is fun and I would expect power users to use the All CPU Meter like I do. And there's even a fun and simple Desktop gadget called Piano which is much less of a hassle than the Piano app you see on the WDP's Metro. I suggest you guys try that. One of my closest mates, recently got his new Toshiba netbook and it even has a Desktop gadget that acts like a Wifi radar which is looking great for us.

    If I am not wrong, I think they call that new bar on the side of Windows 8's desktop the "Charms Bar" but from what I saw, I think it only displays the same four functions that you see when you click at the left bottom side of the Windows 8 Start Button. You get Settings, Devices, Share and Search and it doesn't have yet the ability to have Metro app tiles pinned on it.
    I use gadgets a lot. Not only do I have the clock, calendar and weather, but I use the Pandora gadget, a gadget for NPR and BBC steering, and one for the Dilbert cartoons. I also have a very useful gadget for Wifi networks and analysis. I find these gadgets very useful and great time savers. The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information.

    However, this is the wrong discussion. Win8 is not a desktop OS and nobody should even attempt to make it so. Win8 is a mobile OS. Microsoft's own PR is talking about "breaking away from the desktop". Thus Win8 looks and behaves like a mobile OS. According to Microsoft, "desktop users will need to adapt"

    So, guys, start adapting and do not try to convince anybody that Win8 is an efficient desktop OS. It is not, and it is not going to be.
    The term "desktop" can be many things. It can be called a PC, it can be called an non-mobile computer/PC, it can be Desktop View, it can be Windows itself.

    Speaking of gadgets and apps, we haven't even begun to see what developers have thought of. Live Tiles are a whole other beast to design for. The Windows Phone's live tiles display information at a glance. I bet there will be apps that have just the tile displaying the relevant information. A Pandora app could do the same as a desktop gadget, and when launched, run a comprehensive app.


    From my time with Windows 8, I'm glad features of a mobile device have finally come to the PC. I enjoy faster startups, I like the fact that I don't have to always kill apps after I launch them, they just suspend. I love how a feature of Windows Phone displays information from different sources without me having to actually open the app up.
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  5. #65


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Jav View Post
    The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information
    Actually metro can easily display more information using same or even less space (due to ignoring visualisation and focusing on content) compare to traditional gadgets.

    The problem is that this is still a Developer Preview, hence there are not many metro apps that take advantage of live tiles.
    And it seems like people have wrong idea of Metro. Its not squares or full screen apps. The idea of metro is to focus on content and thus bring you all your needed information in clear (usually typographic form), easily readable form.

    And live tiles are created to make sure that you will never actually have to open the app itself, You can just get required information "at a glance". Thus in most (almost always) one won't open the app and see whole screen app.

    It is hard to illustrate it in Windows 8, right now, due to the lack of apps taking advantage of TRUE metro (live tiles)
    However one can clearly see it in WP7.

    Click image for larger version

    This is just one app taking advantage of live tiles (Though this is not be the best implemention, but it still works for my illustration). As you can see it is giving the required information using less space then both iOS or Android. One could argue that other platforms will give you it in more visually pleasant way. But the point of metro is to provide information in a clear way, not visually active way.

    What I am trying to illustrate here is that Windows 8 metro apps should aim for the same usability. Thus they would easily be able to display required information in more clear way while using less space comapred to traditional gadgets as seen on Vista, Windows 7 or KDE plasma. In some way similar to gnome conky but with more visual clarity and consistency.

    There is already some progress of achieving it in Windoows 8 as you can see from mail, weather and news apps in the screenshot:

    Click image for larger version

    However they are still unfinished and feel raw. It doesn't yet achieve the level of interactivity (seamlessness) I am trying to illustrate, hence the reason for Developer Preview, so developers can build those apps. Hopefully till the time we reach beta there will be enough apps that will take advantage of metro, live tiles and toast notifications.

    EDIT: Even Rainmeter themes emulating Windows 8 Metro can already show potential of the design:

    Click image for larger version

    As you can see from tiles like weather, mail, player (Pandora if you want...), system Storage (that could easily be CPU as someone here mentioned), moon phase and etc. Admittedly this is not Windows 8, but it still can show the potential of the design which could be better but in no way worse than classic gadgets.
    Love it, my argument exactly.
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  6. #66


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    From what I have seen on my part, I know many of my mates use Desktop gadgets like Calendar and Clock even on their notebooks with small screens really. They could have the Clock gadget even display their names which is fun and I would expect power users to use the All CPU Meter like I do. And there's even a fun and simple Desktop gadget called Piano which is much less of a hassle than the Piano app you see on the WDP's Metro. I suggest you guys try that. One of my closest mates, recently got his new Toshiba netbook and it even has a Desktop gadget that acts like a Wifi radar which is looking great for us.

    If I am not wrong, I think they call that new bar on the side of Windows 8's desktop the "Charms Bar" but from what I saw, I think it only displays the same four functions that you see when you click at the left bottom side of the Windows 8 Start Button. You get Settings, Devices, Share and Search and it doesn't have yet the ability to have Metro app tiles pinned on it.
    I use gadgets a lot. Not only do I have the clock, calendar and weather, but I use the Pandora gadget, a gadget for NPR and BBC steering, and one for the Dilbert cartoons. I also have a very useful gadget for Wifi networks and analysis. I find these gadgets very useful and great time savers. The stupid Metro interface takes the whole screen to display much less of this information.

    However, this is the wrong discussion. Win8 is not a desktop OS and nobody should even attempt to make it so. Win8 is a mobile OS. Microsoft's own PR is talking about "breaking away from the desktop". Thus Win8 looks and behaves like a mobile OS. According to Microsoft, "desktop users will need to adapt"

    So, guys, start adapting and do not try to convince anybody that Win8 is an efficient desktop OS. It is not, and it is not going to be.
    How did you live with xp?!
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  7. #67


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    CokeRobot said [quote] How did you live with xp?! [/end-quote]

    Awwwwwwwwww come on YOU just HAD to love the crashes, the quick infections, the weekly re-installs of the O/S, and applications...it was FUN!!!!
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  8. #68


    Posts : 288
    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How did you live with xp?!
    XP feels better running older games and still requires less resources than Windows 7.

    Well I don't really think that the post was directly related to Windows XP. Windows 7 is there to save the day and its still some time before it becomes considerably obsolete. Windows 7 is still very good for the likes of Desktop users and their needs as of now.

    We all agree that Windows 8 has to be further developed or redesigned to suit the tastes of more people like ADRZ and me who are desktop fans.
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  9. #69


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Vertex said:
    We all agree that Windows 8 has to be further developed or redesigned to suit the tastes of more people like ADRZ and me who are desktop fans.
    I have a real cool desktop fan if you want to buy it, connect directly to the top lip/edge of any desktop
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  10. #70


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How did you live with xp?!
    XP feels better running older games and still requires less resources than Windows 7.

    Well I don't really think that the post was directly related to Windows XP. Windows 7 is there to save the day and its still some time before it becomes considerably obsolete. Windows 7 is still very good for the likes of Desktop users and their needs as of now.

    We all agree that Windows 8 has to be further developed or redesigned to suit the tastes of more people like ADRZ and me who are desktop fans.
    I'm just making fun of how some people actually lived without desktop gadgets, there weren't any until vista and BAM, we must have our gadgets...
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