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Windows Loses Some Users Despite the Arrival of Windows8.1

  1. #81


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    Hello justmetoday. Welcome to 8 Forums.

    They do. If you want a pre built system you can go to a manufacturer that offers a configurator.


    Look at your example Windows 8 is free, you have already paid for it in the price of your PC build, all the others they charge you an extra price for, now if they took off $50 - $100 for no OS (formatted only), then I would agree.

    I also, think it is funny that they charge an extra $104 for the Windows 8.1 upgrade, which is a free update via the Windows stores. Well, it's not really funny.

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  2. #82


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Depends on the manufacturer.
    This offers free Windows 7, and a subtraction for Linux, also a subtraction for none.

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  3. #83


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    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    I also, think it is funny that they charge an extra $104 for the Windows 8.1 upgrade, which is a free update via the Windows stores.
    It's not free if you don't have an OS. So they charge $104 for Windows 8.1. (not an upgrade)

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  4. #84


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Depends on the manufacturer.
    This offers free Windows 7, and a subtraction for Linux, also a subtraction for none.
    This is a better example, however most people buy from Best Buy, Walmart, Amazon etc. where these choices aren't an option. Most everyone I know, would not have a clue, which was my point. Even you had to do a little searching to come up with a better option. You can do almost anything with a custom build, but that is not the main stream choices. IMHO
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  5. #85


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Wow. No surprise these big corps are able to get away with so much.

    They really must start teaching this stuff in schools.
    Your post seems to be vague. What exactly do you mean? Please expound.
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  6. #86


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Depends on the manufacturer.
    This offers free Windows 7, and a subtraction for Linux, also a subtraction for none.
    This is a better example, however most people buy from Best Buy, Walmart, Amazon etc. where these choices aren't an option. Most everyone I know, would not have a clue, which was my point. Even you had to do a little searching to come up with a better option. You can do almost anything with a custom build, but that is not the main stream choices. IMHO
    You're right, from your point of view. ... but < > and this is typical of the software and hardware industry, the current for sale products are considered the best available today. You're not going to find Walmart or Best Buy selling machines with Windows XP on them. I think it is generally understood that a product offering is supposed to be better than something sold several years ago. It is very controversial considering the up and down systems like Vista or Windows ME that have surfaced. Still, I believe, it is the intent, whether or not they succeed, is to offer a better product, a.k.a. Windows 8+.
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  7. #87


    Posts : 53
    Windows 7/8


    The other thing you need to consider with the new system is the drivers. In my case, my Asus desktop supported windows 7 drivers, I had checked. Since I have several copies of Windows 7 (Microsoft Alumni get employee prices) I simply backed up Windows 8 and put on Windows 7. I will say that before I did that I ran Windows 8 for a couple of months and ran the Windows 8.1 beta and final release. My reasons for going back to seven were purely application oriented. I have some older computer games that struggled with Windows 8.x. I believe it was likely because of the advanced memory randomization Windows 8 security supports.

    As far as the desktop goes, Windows 8.1 actually works pretty well. Some things are still goofy, like right clicking to find shutdown, and Microsoft removing the system image backup, but overall it's not a bad OS. If I had one complaint with it today, it would be how it gets flaky when running Windows 8.1 apps, at least on the desktop. I like the Facebook app, twitter and a few others. However, you open a few of them, go back to the desktop, came back in an hour and your machine isn't sleeping. So as a rule I don't run the apps. So between that, and my older games, Windows 8 just isn't for my desktop.
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  8. #88


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBill View Post
    The other thing you need to consider with the new system is the drivers.............you open a few of them, go back to the desktop, came back in an hour and your machine isn't sleeping. So as a rule I don't run the apps. So between that, and my older games, Windows 8 just isn't for my desktop.
    This is very true. I can see this as a real problem for driver coders and companies that need drivers for their products. It's difficult and expensive to keep up. On the other hand, there are products out there that have not upgraded their drivers for years.

    It was my problem with Microsoft technologies. My certificate of MCSE was always evolving and always required spending thousands of dollars on additional training, books, classes etc... so I gave up on it.

    As far as sleeping, there is a huge thread about this, > ... not read most of it,
    but my solution is to press sleep (the sleep button, if you have one)
    on the keyboard when I walk away from the desktop. I do this all day. It sleeps peacefully.
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  9. #89


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    I have a laptop that sleeps when I close the lid. Never fails.

    There's another way to shut down/sleep/switch user/sign out/restart etc., that not a lot of folk mention. It is not really worth mentioning, it is really naff.

    Click the bottom far right taskbar or press +D to show the desktop, then Alt F4 to bring up the shutdown dialog, and select your poison.

    The Shut Down Windows dialog is one of the worst implemented dialog boxes I have ever seen in Windows.
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    "What do you want the computer to do?" - it asks with the W underlined, which is a Windows convention that usually means that either pressing W or Alt+W will do something, perhaps open the drop down list in this case. It does nothing.

    Switch user, Sign out, Sleep and Shut down all start with S, and only Restart begins with a different letter, R.
    Pressing R selects Restart and S cycles between all the S choices. The arrow keys take you between the bottom and top choices by repeated pressing. Tedious and repetitive, and not intuitive to old hands with Windows. Home and Pg up keys take you to Switch User and Pg dn and End keys take you to Restart. The list is not even in alphabetical order.

    The other choice is the bottom left right click to bring up the WinX menu - which is meant to be mouse clicked for the available choices. Click image for larger version

    If the WinX menu is arrived at by pressing +X, the keyboard shortcut letters for the menu choices are underlined.Click image for larger version

    I think that's actually well thought out and intelligent, unlike the Shutdown dialog.
    /rant
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  10. #90


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Depends on the manufacturer.
    This offers free Windows 7, and a subtraction for Linux, also a subtraction for none.

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    The minus $98 for none is excellent. I would install Mint Mate which I like more than Ubuntu.
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