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Windows Loses Some Users Despite the Arrival of Windows8.1

  1. #71


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    Quote Originally Posted by nguchiro View Post
    Since MS was "allowed" to become a world monopoly then she should be forced to offer "choice" in her OS. A company cannot continue to force upon her users a compromise OS knowing full well that we have no choice other than Apple. We want the choice to choose: to have classic menus, to have start button, to NOT have Metro. Such basic choices will not affect the OS in the least and it will make everyone happy. MS has turned her OS from an UTILITY VEHICLE to a weekend warrior SUV VEHICLE OS that looks like it was designed by Fisher price.

    Yes it does have improvements and if I may say is refreshingly fast. But...........!
    Not quite sure what you mean here.

    NOBODY is forcing you to run Windows on your computer.

    While most laptops come pre-installed with Windows you aren't FORCED in any way to keep running Windows - and in any case if you buy a MOBO and build your own type of desktop you'll either have BUY an appropriate OS or use one of the various FREE LINUX distributions.

    Ms only became a virtual monopoly for a while because there SIMPLY wasn't any decent competition -- IBM then (far far bigger than the fledgling upstart called Microsoft) had an EXCELLENT OS for PC's known as OS/2 - proper multi-tasking and multi-user - however it just wasn't interested in Home consumers but just wanted the "Corporate market" which actually didn't develop for years later - at that time corporates were using essentially MAINFRAMES and dumb terminals for their networks.

    OS/2 would have blown Windows out of the entire universe had it developed properly -- but as we know --"The rest is History" -- big company IBM makes a bad business decision while the upstart Microsoft gets the space all to itself - and what an opportunity that was.

    OS/2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's perfectly OK to go in for a spot of "Ms Bashing" where appropriate - and on the question of being forced to use the OS isn't one of them.

    I don't see though why they couldn't have adopted the W 2012 server route where the "Desktop experience" (Tiles and all) is an install selectable feature. (can also be added afterwards too).

    However W8.1 can get rid of most of the annoying W8 stuff.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #72


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    Instead of jumping through all the hoops to make my Windows 8/8.1 act like Windows 7, I am just doing the simple thing and staying with Windows 7. Maybe Windows 9 will be the upgrade I am going to be happy with.
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  3. #73


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Not quite sure what you mean here.

    NOBODY is forcing you to run Windows on your computer.
    I agree, Jim. No one is forcing anyone into anything. Where people come up with these ideas are beyond me. There are choices, especially with 8.1.

    Excellent post and article on history. Although quite lengthy, I read most of the during my morning coffee. Excellent reading.

    In a way IBM did take a look at the home PC market for they developed SCAMP, which was the first minicomputer developed in the United States, although not the first in the world. This lead to their development of the IBM 5100. However, at the time these were too expensive for a home owner/commoner to purchase.

    Personal computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I think their mistake was that they didn't realize the potential of the home PC market. Basically they wanted to take the "Apple" approach bundling their software (OS/2) with their hardware in an attempt to corner most of the home PC market. In the meantime enterprise stuck with mainframes/terminals as you stated. The Microsoft boys on the other hand are thinking that is a limited market and approached other manufactures to bundle their product with PCs > PCs that were far less expensive than what IBM could put out. Bottom line is that the "commoner" wasn't going to nor could they pay "IBM enterprise" prices.

    What was really interesting to me was the "divorce" and the issue over drivers. This to me is where MS with Windows had it over on IBM OS/2 > Same thing today > Driver library. What continues to be 80-90% of problems with computers/devices to this day? > Drivers, whether ill-written or lack of. This is why I think Linux or a native Chrome OS will never make it big time.

    1990: Breakup

    In addition, OS/2 lacked device drivers for many common devices such as printers, particularly non-IBM hardware. Windows, on the other hand, supported a much larger variety of hardware. The increasing popularity of Windows prompted Microsoft to shift its development focus from cooperating on OS/2 with IBM to building their own business based on Windows. Several technical and practical reasons contributed to this breakup:
    Here we are some 20 plus years later. Here's the problem MS fights today > Windows became so popular, especially with enterprise, that most think it is an "enterprise only OS" when in fact it is the "best-over-all-fitting" OS both to enterprise and the commoner. I don't see where in MS history that they ever zeroed in solely on enterprise only. From what you stated it seems to me that Windows Server 2012 is the one targeted at enterprise, so who is really left out?
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  4. #74


    Quote Originally Posted by echrada View Post
    Instead of jumping through all the hoops to make my Windows 8/8.1 act like Windows 7, I am just doing the simple thing and staying with Windows 7. Maybe Windows 9 will be the upgrade I am going to be happy with.
    Surely a person with wisdom of acceptance!
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    Wow. No surprise these big corps are able to get away with so much.

    They really must start teaching this stuff in schools.
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  6. #76


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    Windows 7/8


    My desktop had Windows 8 on it. I tried 8.1, and did not like either. I installed Windows 7, Asus had the drivers for this model so it was all good. From a cost standpoint, every Windows 7 license at this point is cheaper for the Microsoft to sell anyway. The support cost for Microsoft are much lower on Windows 7 than Windows 8.x. Yes, they lose out on the R&D of 8, but in the end they get the money either way. There is a hint, based on the shakeups, that the desktop will have different in the future with their "optimized environment for different devices." That said, Windows Phone 8 and Windows tablets are not going anywhere, and to be honest I can't wait to buy one in another year when the apps have matured a little bit more.
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  7. #77


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post


    Not quite sure what you mean here.

    NOBODY is forcing you to run Windows on your computer.
    ............
    Whether you agree or not MS is a global monopoly. No I do not have a choice as Apple is too expensive and Linux will not run most of my software. I am stuck with windows. Don't get me wrong; I have been using and happily so, windows since win 95. The issue here is that MS has removed our ability of choice. It started with win 7 when we no longer could choose classic menus. MS forced us to accept changes irrespective of whether it made life more difficult. An example being the Ribbon
    interface. What will it cost MS to just give us the choice of choosing to have classic menus etc?

    I also have a question regarding Metro. I live in Africa and we pay internet by kbs used and it is expensive. I noticed that my win 8 laptop is using a lot of kbs. Although I have bypassed Metro with classic shell. Does Metro continue to run in the background?
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  8. #78


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    [QUOTE=nguchiro;309245]
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Does Metro continue to run in the background?
    I don't know but you could go to the Metro interface and turn off any 'Live Tiles' to see if that makes a difference.
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  9. #79


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    NOBODY is forcing you to run Windows on your computer.


    Cheers
    jimbo
    The problem with this answer is, almost all new PC's have Windows 8 pre-installed, that you pay an extra $50 - $100 for the price of that PC (why they have as many sales of Win 8 as they do) , and to get to use a different OS you have to buy it. So yes, people are forced to have a certain OS on their systems.

    Now, I wished manufactures would allow you to chose which OS you want on your system, that way it doesn't cost extra. I wished people would quit saying "your not forced to use it", when in reality they are.
    Last edited by justmetoday; 18 Nov 2013 at 11:55.
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  10. #80


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    Quote Originally Posted by justmetoday View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    NOBODY is forcing you to run Windows on your computer.
    Cheers
    jimbo
    ... Now, I wish manufacturers would allow you to choose which OS you want on your system, that way it doesn't cost extra. I wish people would quit saying "you're not forced to use it", when in reality they are.
    Hello justmetoday. Welcome to 8 Forums.

    They do. If you want a pre built system you can go to a manufacturer that offers a configurator.

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