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Windows Loses Some Users Despite the Arrival of Windows8.1

  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I don't mind that they took great steps to make the OS touch accessible. What I think most of us, and the tech world at large are upset about, is that these changes did not come in addition to the desktop friendly way of doing things, they replaced it all together..
    Have to agree, they did a complete 180 and left many in the dust. I don't want my fixed desktop/laptop to act like a tablet or smart phone.
    Hi there
    the CONVERSE is true too - I DON'T want my tablet or phone to act as a desktop -- these devices have their uses -- more than I would have guessed even a short year ago but they are NOT desktops.

    I don't have anything wrong with a Common OS - saves on development costs / maintenance but ALL parts of it must be fit for purpose.

    Booting directly to the desktop was the main reason some of my original W8 "Haters" changed their minds with W8.1 - especially when I showed them about custom toolbars and how to create icon shortcuts on the desktop : go to file location ==>send to desktop(create shortcut).

    In general though dedicated systems work best but if the OS can be made multi-function decently then it's fine.

    I don't agree with sentiments saying Ms is forcing you to work in a particular way --it's not in THEIR interest either -- where they misjudged initially was in how much of the desktop market still (and will continue) to remain.

    W8.1 seems a decently well conceived OS - especially given the mess it came from -- but it could still be improved a lot -- perhaps at install time you could select which GUI you want (or both if you want them) rather like the options you get with Windows 2012 server.

    I still agree though having a "Store" is not a good idea - most of the apps are HORRIBLE - but I find most mobile phone apps pretty flakey too.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    The point of the phone stuff on everything is to monetise the consumers.

    It is not much use MS relying solely on 2 or 3 million tablets they might have sold last year. They wanted to get hold of the 300+m who were expected to buy pc's.

    That is what it is all about.

    It went badly for them, so now they are trying to do the same thing more subtly.
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  3. #63


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    Hi there.

    Companies are NOT an extension of "Social Security" - I don't think people have a problem with the idea of them making money - it's HOW they make it that could be of concern.

    However I'm sure that unless you hit it off with a mega winner most phone apps won't make any money at all for the developer -- the ONLY APP I've EVER paid for on a phone was the PRO version of Winamp -- I like playing music via Folders rather than playlists and it plays FLAC too which is the format I store all my music in. It also looks just like the windows version I've used for ages and was only around 4 USD anyway.

    For everything else on my phone I've found a "Freebie" and usually the adverts if there are any are unobtrusive and easily ignored - if they become too riddled with commercials then just uninstall and find an alternative.

    Don't forget also that if companies didn't make money there wouldn't be any investors - so no new products - and also our Pensions would be TINY if they existed at all.

    State companies don't have a very good track record at innovation or even making particularly cheap products They certainly can't adapt to quickly changing markets etc. (I'm not getting involved as to whether the State should be the controller of "Natural Monopolies" like Water, Electricity etc. --That's another argument not relevant here).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #64


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The point of the phone stuff on everything is to monetise the consumers.
    I think that the correct term is gouging.

    Just like the Banks here in Australia.
    If you aren't rich, you get charged if you:
    • Have an account
    • Take YOUR money out
    • Visit a branch

    The Government makes it worse by demanding that all people on benefits have a bank account.
    I think that the same applies to most (if not all) Private Sector employers too.
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  5. #65


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit

    Windows Loses Some Users Despite the Arrival of Windows8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I don't mind that they took great steps to make the OS touch accessible. What I think most of us, and the tech world at large are upset about, is that these changes did not come in addition to the desktop friendly way of doing things, they replaced it all together..
    Have to agree, they did a complete 180 and left many in the dust. I don't want my fixed desktop/laptop to act like a tablet or smart phone.
    Hi there
    the CONVERSE is true too - I DON'T want my tablet or phone to act as a desktop -- these devices have their uses -- more than I would have guessed even a short year ago but they are NOT desktops.

    I don't have anything wrong with a Common OS - saves on development costs / maintenance but ALL parts of it must be fit for purpose.

    Booting directly to the desktop was the main reason some of my original W8 "Haters" changed their minds with W8.1 - especially when I showed them about custom toolbars and how to create icon shortcuts on the desktop : go to file location ==>send to desktop(create shortcut).

    In general though dedicated systems work best but if the OS can be made multi-function decently then it's fine.

    I don't agree with sentiments saying Ms is forcing you to work in a particular way --it's not in THEIR interest either -- where they misjudged initially was in how much of the desktop market still (and will continue) to remain.

    W8.1 seems a decently well conceived OS - especially given the mess it came from -- but it could still be improved a lot -- perhaps at install time you could select which GUI you want (or both if you want them) rather like the options you get with Windows 2012 server.

    I still agree though having a "Store" is not a good idea - most of the apps are HORRIBLE - but I find most mobile phone apps pretty flakey too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    You don't want desktop stuff interfering with your tablet, and I don't want tablet stuff interfering with my desktop. Tada! There is a simple solution. Include both = choice. Sorry, the vote is in. 1 year later, you folks are still in the minority.. Most people prefer the old way of doing things to the new, and as this original post indicated, they are voting with their dollars.

    Keeping the start menu in the OS as a workflow choice would cause no overhead in development costs. Zilch. Nada.. None. It just would have made a lot of folks happy, and probably made windows 8 a lot more appealing to business users. Leaving it out did not have cut down on development costs.. It was already developed.
    Last edited by musiclover7; 08 Nov 2013 at 17:55.
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    You don't want desktop stuff interfering with your tablet, and I don't want tablet stuff interfering with my desktop. Tada! There is a simple solution. Include both = choice. Sorry, the vote is in. 1 year later, you folks are still in the minority.. Most people prefer the old way of doing things to the new, and as this original post indicated, they are voting with their dollars.

    Keeping the start menu in the OS as a workflow choice would cause no overhead in development costs. Zilch. Nada.. None. It just would have made a lot of folks happy, and probably made windows 8 a lot more appealing to business users. Leaving it out did not have cut down on development costs.. It was already developed.
    Sounds a lot like "You got chocolate in my Peanut Butter"

    The Program Menu is still there, it's just hidden in the ProgramData folder, allowing 3rd party apps to use it to make a Start Button. So they really only took it off of the taskbar, thinking users would be happy with this new Start Screen, but that hasn't been the case. The "Start Screen" is like the Springboard on iOS, it works best on a hand device or tablet. I don't see any use for a Desktop on a Tablet.

    People who use Desktop Programs stay in the Desktop, not switch back and forth constantly. But on a tablet, it's easier to use the Springboard and the Apps that are pinned there, because it's not feasible to wear a jeweller's eyepiece to see the Desktop.
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  7. #67


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    You don't want desktop stuff interfering with your tablet, and I don't want tablet stuff interfering with my desktop. Tada! There is a simple solution. Include both = choice. Sorry, the vote is in. 1 year later, you folks are still in the minority.. Most people prefer the old way of doing things to the new, and as this original post indicated, they are voting with their dollars.

    Keeping the start menu in the OS as a workflow choice would cause no overhead in development costs. Zilch. Nada.. None. It just would have made a lot of folks happy, and probably made windows 8 a lot more appealing to business users. Leaving it out did not have cut down on development costs.. It was already developed.
    Sounds a lot like "You got chocolate in my Peanut Butter"

    The Program Menu is still there, it's just hidden in the ProgramData folder, allowing 3rd party apps to use it to make a Start Button. So they really only took it off of the taskbar, thinking users would be happy with this new Start Screen, but that hasn't been the case. The "Start Screen" is like the Springboard on iOS, it works best on a hand device or tablet. I don't see any use for a Desktop on a Tablet.

    People who use Desktop Programs stay in the Desktop, not switch back and forth constantly. But on a tablet, it's easier to use the Springboard and the Apps that are pinned there, because it's not feasible to wear a jeweller's eyepiece to see the Desktop.

    Again though.. there was an absolutely simple solution to these issues. Give a little choice to the end user.
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  8. #68


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    All I've been saying is allow a choice during install. Tile or desktop (with real start taskbar) interface. I think MS is capable of doing it, duh. They just don't want to for whatever reason. The whole touch thing and block tiles just seems forced IMO. Not that my opinion means much to them.

    People watching too many TV shows I guess with those huge transparent screens standing up and whipping around views.

    PS: Also, like they are forcing into the setup a MS account instead of a local one. Not cool. Most folks don't realize it can be bypassed until too late.
    Last edited by popeye; 13 Nov 2013 at 23:26.
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  9. #69


    As someone looking to build a new PC from scratch and who wanted to run more than 16gb ram [for video editing work] I had a choice of Windows 7 pro or Win 8.1.
    Being a Win 7 home premium person I absolutely hated the thought of using Win 8 with its pre-school looking apps and touch orientated screens. However faced with paying upwards of £100 for Win 7 Pro or £68 for Win 8.1 I jumped in and chose the latter.
    However, I have StartIsback running and a local account with all "metro and apps" nonsense disabled. I have to say I'm delighted with my choice. I have so far been unable to add a start-up and shutdown customised sound as in Win 7 and am unable to get a custom picture on my password screen, but I'm sure a workaround will be available soon. To all intents and purposes my system now looks pretty much like win 7 did.
    I have no use for apps paid or otherwise, my system feels sleek and responsive and it's one happy MS Windows user.
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    Since MS was "allowed" to become a world monopoly then she should be forced to offer "choice" in her OS. A company cannot continue to force upon her users a compromise OS knowing full well that we have no choice other than Apple. We want the choice to choose: to have classic menus, to have start button, to NOT have Metro. Such basic choices will not affect the OS in the least and it will make everyone happy. MS has turned her OS from an UTILITY VEHICLE to a weekend warrior SUV VEHICLE OS that looks like it was designed by Fisher price.

    Yes it does have improvements and if I may say is refreshingly fast. But...........!
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