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Windows 8 will be 'largely irrelevant' to traditional PC users: IDC

  1. #121


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    Agree there will be some major changes, would like to see more of the OS before saying it's good or not.

    Like what I've seen so far, even if it is a very limited look into what is coming out.

    Seems like some people are deciding if it's any good by the WDP, way too early of a build to be making decisions yet. Lots of time before we can see which direction they will go.

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    [QUOTE=Mike Lonewolf;52102]Dave76 said
    Did I mention WDP is a pre-Beta, for app developers?
    Give it a look when the beta or RC are released, I would bet it will be different then what you have seen so far.[end-quote]

    Well yes Dave, we are ALL aware that this is a stable alpha version of the Windows Operating System. BUT non-withstanding Microsoft is viewing ALL WDP boards, so that they can get an understanding of what users of the O/S worldwide are liking and disliking about Windows8 before it goes into Beta. I believe also when the beta is released that we are in for some major interface changes with Windows 8.
    No, there are not going to be major interface changes. We know a lot from very late leaked builds of Win8. If, somehow, you are expecting a major change, you would be mistaken. There may be some kind of a "taskbar" in the Start Screen, but this is a much as you would get.
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    [QUOTE=ADRz;52125]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Dave76 said
    Did I mention WDP is a pre-Beta, for app developers?
    Give it a look when the beta or RC are released, I would bet it will be different then what you have seen so far.[end-quote]

    Well yes Dave, we are ALL aware that this is a stable alpha version of the Windows Operating System. BUT non-withstanding Microsoft is viewing ALL WDP boards, so that they can get an understanding of what users of the O/S worldwide are liking and disliking about Windows8 before it goes into Beta. I believe also when the beta is released that we are in for some major interface changes with Windows 8.
    No, there are not going to be major interface changes. We know a lot from very late leaked builds of Win8. If, somehow, you are expecting a major change, you would be mistaken. There may be some kind of a "taskbar" in the Start Screen, but this is a much as you would get.
    May I ask you ADRz as to where you acquired that information from? I am aware that the Metro UI will remain, BUT also from what I have heard (rumor at this point) that there will be major changes as to usability of said Metro UI.
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    [QUOTE=Mike Lonewolf;52127]
    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Dave76 said

    No, there are not going to be major interface changes. We know a lot from very late leaked builds of Win8. If, somehow, you are expecting a major change, you would be mistaken. There may be some kind of a "taskbar" in the Start Screen, but this is a much as you would get.
    May I ask you ADRz as to where you acquired that information from? I am aware that the Metro UI will remain, BUT also from what I have heard (rumor at this point) that there will be major changes as to usability of said Metro UI.
    There are many leaked screens of the beta (at least the pre-beta builds). The "usability of the Metro" you are referring to is a taskbar at the bottom of the Metro Start Screen. Not that major a change but the most obvious one. Metro stays as a non-optional UI. The rest is very close to what you already know. In any case, you should not have anticipated drastic differences within a few months. I think that the beta is essentially ready today and what you would get would be "feature-complete". From the beta onwards, there would be no more changes except those that fix bugs.
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    [QUOTE=ADRz;52131]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post

    May I ask you ADRz as to where you acquired that information from? I am aware that the Metro UI will remain, BUT also from what I have heard (rumor at this point) that there will be major changes as to usability of said Metro UI.
    There are many leaked screens of the beta (at least the pre-beta builds). The "usability of the Metro" you are referring to is a taskbar at the bottom of the Metro Start Screen. Not that major a change but the most obvious one. Metro stays as a non-optional UI. The rest is very close to what you already know. In any case, you should not have anticipated drastic differences within a few months. I think that the beta is essentially ready today and what you would get would be "feature-complete". From the beta onwards, there would be no more changes except those that fix bugs.
    So you're basically saying Windows 8 will in fact be Windows 7 with a metro interface? Wow, I need to go tell everyone....
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    [QUOTE=Coke Robot;52149]
    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post

    There are many leaked screens of the beta (at least the pre-beta builds). The "usability of the Metro" you are referring to is a taskbar at the bottom of the Metro Start Screen. Not that major a change but the most obvious one. Metro stays as a non-optional UI. The rest is very close to what you already know. In any case, you should not have anticipated drastic differences within a few months. I think that the beta is essentially ready today and what you would get would be "feature-complete". From the beta onwards, there would be no more changes except those that fix bugs.
    So you're basically saying Windows 8 will in fact be Windows 7 with a metro interface? Wow, I need to go tell everyone....
    Do you have a better story???
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    [QUOTE=ADRz;52150]
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post

    So you're basically saying Windows 8 will in fact be Windows 7 with a metro interface? Wow, I need to go tell everyone....
    Do you have a better story???
    Yeah, I do. It's called the first major step in the development of a new Windows operating system. It has new features a build of this kind wouldn't normally have, but 8 is different.

    I should had told people Windows 7 was going to be exactly like vista, but it just works...
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  8. #128


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    Are you two agreeing to disagree?

    Let's all step back, take a big deep breath and WAIT till the Beta comes out.
    Opinions and speculations come from the same body part and we all have one.
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  9. #129


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Yeah, I do. It's called the first major step in the development of a new Windows operating system. It has new features a build of this kind wouldn't normally have, but 8 is different.
    That may not be exactly be the most specific and accurate sentiment if we are talking about Desktops but even if you are a tablet user, be advised with the Metro on a Desktop, its a different story, my friend. Again, I not against the Metro, I just want it to have a separate button than the Start Menu. And I guess many would agree that there should be a power button on the Metro because when its there, you have to log off first before you can turn off the PC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I should had told people Windows 7 was going to be exactly like vista, but it just works...
    That is an understatement against Windows 7 saying its "exactly" going to be like Vista? Most who have used it have proven that wrong. Windows 7 is the best operating system that has ever been officially released by Microsoft.
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    The other night, I had an idea on how the Metro and its apps should work. First of all, in my idea, Metro is not integrated with the Start Menu. I like to provide a visual aid of my idea on this forum if I have the time.

    The Metro needs:

    1. It needs to have a separate button than the Start Menu.
    2. It needs a power button, duh.
    3. Metro Apps should have minimize, close and shutdown buttons because they don't terminate immediately when you go back to the Start Screen. One example is Piano, I could still hear its sound even if I pressed the Windows button to go back to the Start Screen. It just doesn't terminate immediately and that is a design flaw that better should be resolved in the beta.

    4. A sliding bar on the top or bottom of Metro should show minimized Metro apps.

    5. In the idea that I have, Metro screen is divided into two parts. One is where you see the Metro apps of course and the other one is where you see tiles of your installed programs, which you can sort and group. You can switch between these 2 parts on a button on the upper side of the Metro screen. Each of the these two parts of Metro screen should have a "Go Back to Desktop" button.

    6. Metro should have a built-in feature to change its background without the use of third party programs because this is also a built-in feature on phones and tablets. It should also have the native ability to change the background of the log-on screen.

    7. Outside the Metro, is you standard Desktop with icons of course and a Start Menu like Windows 7 but retaining all the other improvements on Windows 8, however, I dislike the ribbon on Windows Explorer, its just bulky and ugly. Windows 7's explorer is still better and space-efficient.


    I am hopeful there would be less bugs and there would be more things added on the Beta but unfortunately, I also do not feel we are gonna see any major change of the current design we have seen of it as of now. Why? Because of the leaks of screenshots we are seeing, its looking like there's no visible change in the design at all so I have to agree on what ADRz said on that part but this is just an assumption, I'm not saying this will be what's gonna come up. Remember, we are just waiting for the Beta here and even that is still a bit of a long way from the final version so what we can hopefully do now is weigh which is better for the most people not just in our own preferences and ourselves then submit a statement to Microsoft and see if they will listen and accept our ideas.
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