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  1. #91


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    I have a question for you, ADRz.

    IF MS gives you a licensed copy of Windows 8 Ultimate x64 or even when they suceeded in a 128 bit system, given the ways and tweaks to disable Metro anyway, will you still take it and will you use it as your primary OS? In a rare situation like that, I would, anytime though I would rather take a 32 bit one cause I don't have top of the class hardware like yours and my machine is 3 and a half years old.

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  2. #92


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    I have a question for you, ADRz.

    IF MS gives you a licensed copy of Windows 8 Ultimate x64 or even when they suceeded in a 128 bit system, given the ways and tweaks to disable Metro anyway, will you still take it and will you use it as your primary OS? In a rare situation like that, I would, anytime though I would rather take a 32 bit one cause I don't have top of the class hardware like yours and my machine is 3 and a half years old.
    As I am a Microsoft subscriber, I would have as many as 5 licenses of Win8 Ultimate 64-bit (at no extra cost). So, price is not the issue at all. In fact, the cost was never the issue. I would assume that I would have the use of the software, if I wanted it. Well, as it currently stands, no, I do not want it and I would not even give MS the pleasure of even downloading the beta. I do not want either me or my co-workers to deal with any hacks to disable Metro, hacks that would be overriden by a later patch and so on.

    I do not play with my computers. I am doing serious work that necessitates a windowing operating system in which multiple monitors and multiple windows within these monitors are essential. Do you know that the Start Screen covers all monitors? It does. Win8 as currently designed (including the minor tweaks that would be present in the beta) is not meant for serious work. It is designed to really eradicate the desktop, despite what Micorosft claims.

    Microsoft is planning to prepare Metro versions of lots of its applications, which I really find hilarious. A Metro version of Excel would require 3 to 4 times the real estate that desktop Excel requires to display a moderately complex spreadsheet. It is too ridiculous to even contemplate this, but it is coming. Microsoft is in the process of committing suicide and I will not help. Nor should you.
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  3. #93


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    For my technical ability, its not hard to deal with these "hacks" at all in following understandable instruction at least. I do not consider hacks as "playing" with my computer at all if its for personal use anyway. I see that you may not be fully acknowledging the good side of Windows 8 calling its advantages over Windows 7 (does not include the Metro) minor, OK perhaps Metro was a bad thing for you but how sure of you that a patch will soon come up to make disabling this not possible? Disabling the Metro is against what M$ wants in the longer term but there are lots of clever folks outside Microsoft that would make something as disabling this possible. As I said before I'm a optimist. You're not but you criticize much of Windows 8 when we are just on the alpha stage.

    I criticize the things I don't want with it like the Metro but that does not make me think that Windows 8 is overall, inferior. If I would be given a licensed copy of Windows 8 for FREE, I would give it a try of course and if I didnt like it, I could simply revert to Windows 7, how can that be commiting suicide? You don't seem to be judging Windows 8 fairly stating always the bad things you see in it. If you don't want Windows 8, I respect that as your choice. Even if you do not grant M$ the pleasure of trying out the beta, how would that even help you? Perhaps that would save you time but how can you prove whether or not your doubts are true if youre not gonna try it for yourself? Its not gonna make M$ change their minds or anything you see wrong at all.

    You CAN still run windowing apps and multitask on Windows 8 at least on how the WDP is right now. Let us say that you went somewhere, you did not have your personal computer or laptop with you but you are faced with a Windows 8 machine with Metro disabled. Will you still use it? Can you tell me what on earth is on a Windows 7 desktop that you can't do on a de-Metroed Windows 8 desktop? Ah.... perhaps there'd be no more desktop gadgets. Even the ribbon on Windows Explorer can be disabled. Sooner or later someone will come up with an almost perfect tool, a single small tweaking app that would disable Metro and the ribbon on Windows Explorer or even bring back the ability to use gadgets for you, no hacks needed, in a few clicks making Windows 8 almost like Windows 7 but retaining the things that Windows 7 did not have like better resource management and it also boots faster and so on.

    If M$, after receiving a lot of feedback from us, critics of the Metro decides to make it optional (I know this is not very likely), will you now use Windows 8 if you are given a FREE licensed Windows 8 Ultimate x64?
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  4. #94


    Posts : 162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    For my technical ability, its not hard to deal with these "hacks" at all in following understandable instruction at least. I do not consider hacks as "playing" with my computer at all if its for personal use anyway. I see that you may not be fully acknowledging the good side of Windows 8 calling its advantages over Windows 7 (does not include the Metro) minor, OK perhaps Metro was a bad thing for you but how sure of you that a patch will soon come up to make disabling this not possible? Disabling the Metro is against what M$ wants in the longer term but there are lots of clever folks outside Microsoft that would make something as disabling this possible. As I said before I'm a optimist. You're not but you criticize much of Windows 8 when we are just on the alpha stage.

    I criticize the things I don't want with it like the Metro but that does not make me think that Windows 8 is overall, inferior. If I would be given a licensed copy of Windows 8 for FREE, I would give it a try of course and if I didnt like it, I could simply revert to Windows 7, how can that be commiting suicide? You don't seem to be judging Windows 8 fairly stating always the bad things you see in it. If you don't want Windows 8, I respect that as your choice. Even if you do not grant M$ the pleasure of trying out the beta, how would that even help you? Perhaps that would save you time but how can you prove whether or not your doubts are true if youre not gonna try it for yourself? Its not gonna make M$ change their minds or anything you see wrong at all.

    You CAN still run windowing apps and multitask on Windows 8 at least on how the WDP is right now. Let us say that you went somewhere, you did not have your personal computer or laptop with you but you are faced with a Windows 8 machine with Metro disabled. Will you still use it? Can you tell me what on earth is on a Windows 7 desktop that you can't do on a de-Metroed Windows 8 desktop? Ah.... perhaps there'd be no more desktop gadgets. Even the ribbon on Windows Explorer can be disabled. Sooner or later someone will come up with an almost perfect tool, a single small tweaking app that would disable Metro and the ribbon on Windows Explorer or even bring back the ability to use gadgets for you, no hacks needed, in a few clicks making Windows 8 almost like Windows 7 but retaining the things that Windows 7 did not have like better resource management and it also boots faster and so on.

    If M$, after receiving a lot of feedback from us, critics of the Metro decides to make it optional (I know this is not very likely), will you now use Windows 8 if you are given a FREE licensed Windows 8 Ultimate x64?
    I am not sure that we are communicating. I need to keep my systems "hack-free" because I depend on MS support for a variety of reasons. I have no difficulty at all in modifying the registry to switch items on and off. In some non-critical systems, I may play with settings, but not in critical ones.

    I do not utilize OSs because they are the latest flavor. I would move to a new OS when and if this move makes sense and not because of a few minor system updates. In fact, Win8 seems to have been modified enough to become mainly a portable OS (and I am talking here about other changes, not the Start Screen). So far, what I have seen does not interest me in the faintest. I may briefly evaluate the beta in an non-critical system, if I have the time and the disposition. As I pointed before, cost is not the issue.
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  5. #95


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    For my technical ability, its not hard to deal with these "hacks" at all in following understandable instruction at least. I do not consider hacks as "playing" with my computer at all if its for personal use anyway. I see that you may not be fully acknowledging the good side of Windows 8 calling its advantages over Windows 7 (does not include the Metro) minor, OK perhaps Metro was a bad thing for you but how sure of you that a patch will soon come up to make disabling this not possible? Disabling the Metro is against what M$ wants in the longer term but there are lots of clever folks outside Microsoft that would make something as disabling this possible. As I said before I'm a optimist. You're not but you criticize much of Windows 8 when we are just on the alpha stage.

    I criticize the things I don't want with it like the Metro but that does not make me think that Windows 8 is overall, inferior. If I would be given a licensed copy of Windows 8 for FREE, I would give it a try of course and if I didnt like it, I could simply revert to Windows 7, how can that be commiting suicide? You don't seem to be judging Windows 8 fairly stating always the bad things you see in it. If you don't want Windows 8, I respect that as your choice. Even if you do not grant M$ the pleasure of trying out the beta, how would that even help you? Perhaps that would save you time but how can you prove whether or not your doubts are true if youre not gonna try it for yourself? Its not gonna make M$ change their minds or anything you see wrong at all.

    You CAN still run windowing apps and multitask on Windows 8 at least on how the WDP is right now. Let us say that you went somewhere, you did not have your personal computer or laptop with you but you are faced with a Windows 8 machine with Metro disabled. Will you still use it? Can you tell me what on earth is on a Windows 7 desktop that you can't do on a de-Metroed Windows 8 desktop? Ah.... perhaps there'd be no more desktop gadgets. Even the ribbon on Windows Explorer can be disabled. Sooner or later someone will come up with an almost perfect tool, a single small tweaking app that would disable Metro and the ribbon on Windows Explorer or even bring back the ability to use gadgets for you, no hacks needed, in a few clicks making Windows 8 almost like Windows 7 but retaining the things that Windows 7 did not have like better resource management and it also boots faster and so on.

    If M$, after receiving a lot of feedback from us, critics of the Metro decides to make it optional (I know this is not very likely), will you now use Windows 8 if you are given a FREE licensed Windows 8 Ultimate x64?

    Just to highlight what I have been saying, the following are comments by another author reviewing Windows 8

    "
    Microsoft explicitly promotes applications designed for the Windows Metro UI for its Windows Store. Let’s think about this one for a moment. Does this make sense? Since Windows 8 is all about the Metro UI, will all Windows 8 PCs be touchscreen PCs? Windows 7 to Windows 8 upgrades will, most likely, not be touchscreen PCs and there may be a good portion of new Windows 8 PCs that won’t have touchscreens either. Subtract all those upgrades and entry-level PCs from the customers accessing the Windows Store. How many of those 400 million PCs next year will, in fact, be aligned with touchscreen Metro apps in the Windows Store? Your guess is as good as any market researcher’s guess at this time, but it is safe to say that it won’t be close to 400 million.In actuality, how useful is touch on a desktop and a notebook PC? Are you willing to largely replace your mouse with your hand that reaches across the keyboard and taps on a vertical screen that bounces back and forth? Touch on desktop and notebook computers is far from being a slam dunk for Microsoft. It could succeed in the long run, but it may just as easily fail entirely. Given the layout of Metro as well as the closely attached user model of the Windows Store, touch needs to be a complete success to guarantee success for Microsoft. However, touch will not work for all users. It is great on horizontal devices such as tablets, but it is a pain in the neck on notebooks and desktops. If touch fails, Microsoft may have a bigger problem on its hands than they experienced with Vista, as Windows 8’s success, as far as consumer perception is concerned, could live and die with the Metro UI. Enthusiasts may care about under-the-hood changes, such as more efficient memory usage, but I don’t think that the average consumer will care.

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  6. #96


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    I have to agree with ADRz. seems that Microsoft is gearing itself for the tablet revolution, and forgetting
    that is was the desktop PC that buttered their bread. Also, for the last 1.5+ decades it's been a point and click
    world. I've been using the DP version since it has been released, and got bored REAL quick with the tiles and used
    MetroTweakUI to rid myself of them. And going by a business mindset (Which makes the most purchases of Windows)
    I personality cannot see a touch centric operating system being a big splash with them. Has anyone else in here been getting flashbacks of Windows ME besides myself?
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  7. #97


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    MS should make the Metro optional. First impression of some people who disliked the tiles thing made them somewhat dislike Windows 8.
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  8. #98


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    I have to agree with ADRz. seems that Microsoft is gearing itself for the tablet revolution, and forgetting
    that is was the desktop PC that buttered their bread. Also, for the last 1.5+ decades it's been a point and click
    world. I've been using the DP version since it has been released, and got bored REAL quick with the tiles and used
    MetroTweakUI to rid myself of them. And going by a business mindset (Which makes the most purchases of Windows)
    I personality cannot see a touch centric operating system being a big splash with them. Has anyone else in here been getting flashbacks of Windows ME besides myself?
    Not at all, it is hardly only you. In fact, most business analysts see a disaster much more severe than Windows Me and Vista. I thought that one analyst put it very well when he said that "Microsoft forgets that we do not buy Windows because it is Windows; we buy Windows because we want to run Windows applications"!!! Right on the mark. Anything that makes us more difficult to run Windows applications would flop in the marketplace.

    Somehow "Metro" has enchanted Microsoft. That Metro has been rejected by users does not seem to register. Nothing that sported this interface was ever a success for Microsoft. Windows Media, Zune and WP7 were commercial disasters. My own view is that "tiles" have limited visual appeal. If Microsoft wants to put together a compelling UI, it should look at ICS (Android 4). But whatever this is, it should never make it more difficult to use Windows applications, it should make it easier.
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  9. #99


    Posts : 162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    MS should make the Metro optional. First impression of some people who disliked the tiles thing made them somewhat dislike Windows 8.
    It is not "disliking the tiles". Anything that gets in the way of running Windows applications is an impediment, not an useful addition to the OS. But they also have very limited visual appeal. I do not buy Windows to tinker around. I buy Windows to support my applications. And this is what I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    It is not "disliking the tiles". Anything that gets in the way of running Windows applications is an impediment, not an useful addition to the OS. But they also have very limited visual appeal. I do not buy Windows to tinker around. I buy Windows to support my applications. And this is what I want.
    Disliking the Metro can be divided into several different reasons depending on different people who has different tastes, likes and makes different reasons on their own. When I said "tiles thing" on my previous post, I was somehow refering to the Metro interface.

    Have you seen this video? That is what we don't like to happen.

    Systems Administrator Reacts to Windows 8 - YouTube
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