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Reconciling 2 Worlds With Windows 8.1

  1. #11


    I live in Africa and the best we have here is about 100Kbs. How on Earth MS expects us to download 3.5 Gb?

    I have been using windows 8 for 3 months now and hate it with a passion. My only consolation is that I installed Classic Shell whic brought some sense back into the OS. As a professional I could not care less about FACEBOOK and the like. It seems that 8.1 is just the finished version of 8 just like 7 was the finished version of Vista. Tiles belong to touch screen and not desktop PCs.

    My other PC runs win 7 with classic shell also and it is much more user friendly albeit horrid when it comes to the search function.

    MS has created a chimera. I have always been an avid windows user but now with all this tiles facebook business I really feel that I have been left out.

    By the way; win 8 is causing me so many headaches. It misbehaves so much that it is driving me crazy. The cursor jumps around. Metro jumps in when I am working and all manner of problems. My laptop is the HP compaq running on AMD.

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  2. #12


    USA
    Posts : 23
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Microsoft is a joke. I still don't get why they can't implement the old start menu back. Or at least give me a choice to pick which menu I want on the desktop.
    What confuses me is the decision against releasing a retail ISO. The only way you can get 8.1 (without MSDN or TechNet subscriptions) is to first install 8, then upgrade. Microsoft has said 8.1 is free to everyone who already has Win8, so why the hard stance?

    Am I the only one who finds it beyond stupid that you can't get an 8.1 ISO, even if you can prove you have legally purchased Win8?
    I found the IOS's online just fine. A little google searching goes a long way. I been running 8.1 for like a month.

    Where have you been?
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  3. #13


    Posts : 142
    Win 7 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by joel406 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Microsoft is a joke. I still don't get why they can't implement the old start menu back. Or at least give me a choice to pick which menu I want on the desktop.
    What confuses me is the decision against releasing a retail ISO. The only way you can get 8.1 (without MSDN or TechNet subscriptions) is to first install 8, then upgrade. Microsoft has said 8.1 is free to everyone who already has Win8, so why the hard stance?

    Am I the only one who finds it beyond stupid that you can't get an 8.1 ISO, even if you can prove you have legally purchased Win8?
    I found the IOS's online just fine. A little google searching goes a long way. I been running 8.1 for like a month.

    Where have you been?

    Where have I been? Not searching for them, at least not yet.

    Does Google point the way to legitimate sources? If it isn't going to be legal I'm going to steer clear. I bought Win8 and would rather get 8.1 the right way. And that doesn't include having to first install Win8, then wait for the upgrade to finish 2 or 3 hours later.

    I just want to do one clean installation, not the way Microsoft is wanting us to do it.
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by joel406 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Microsoft is a joke. I still don't get why they can't implement the old start menu back. Or at least give me a choice to pick which menu I want on the desktop.
    What confuses me is the decision against releasing a retail ISO. The only way you can get 8.1 (without MSDN or TechNet subscriptions) is to first install 8, then upgrade. Microsoft has said 8.1 is free to everyone who already has Win8, so why the hard stance?

    Am I the only one who finds it beyond stupid that you can't get an 8.1 ISO, even if you can prove you have legally purchased Win8?
    I found the IOS's online just fine. A little google searching goes a long way. I been running 8.1 for like a month.

    Where have you been?
    He's right, though...evidently a developer leaked them to the 'net to counter Microsoft's imbecilic decision not to provide an iso for its retail 8.0 iso customers. You know, Microsoft hands it out gratis to its MSDN/Technet subscribers because the iso installation isn't worth a plugged nickel without a legitimate 8.0 key, but then turns around and denies the same convenience to its retail customers. Everything with Microsoft this entire year has been one step forward and two steps back. The lack of common sense and customer sensitivity the company has shown this year is incredible, imo, all the more because Microsoft used to be so different.

    Yes, the real 8.1 iso is readily available for anyone who wants to obtain it--it still requires a legitimate 8.0 key to activate on Microsoft's servers--and my opinion is that everyone with a legal 8.0 key should download it and burn the iso to a disk backup just for their own convenience and peace of mind. It's bizarre of Microsoft to want to inconvenience its retail 8.0 customers in this manner. If they for some reason need to reinstall 8.1, they should not have to first reinstall 8.0 from their Microsoft-supplied 8.0 iso and then go back to the Microsoft store and download the 8.1 auto-install update all over again. That's absurd.
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  5. #15


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    It is a shame. There is some great skill at MS and they are capable of great things. I get the distinct impression they don't know what to do. There have been so many obvious blunders , annoying a lot of customers, developers, sysadmins, you name it. It is symptomatic of a far greater issue the new CEO will need to sort out.
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  6. #16


    VA USA
    Posts : 349
    W8.1up1 Pro x64 w/media center


    OK if you have a D/L for the 8.1 version post it, I can't find one. And not the "preview" iso, the full install one that was released.

    Googling only finds sites with the "Preview" ISO's
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  7. #17


    USA
    Posts : 689
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    While I totally agree with Walt, I wouldn't recommend posting a public link to those sites as it could put this site and the admin staff in a precarious position. I would leave that decision up to the staff as to whether to post or not.

    But yeah, Microsoft's stance here is a bit baffling, especially considering the download size of the update.

    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    He's right, though...evidently a developer leaked them to the 'net to counter Microsoft's imbecilic decision not to provide an iso for its retail 8.0 iso customers. You know, Microsoft hands it out gratis to its MSDN/Technet subscribers because the iso installation isn't worth a plugged nickel without a legitimate 8.0 key, but then turns around and denies the same convenience to its retail customers. Everything with Microsoft this entire year has been one step forward and two steps back. The lack of common sense and customer sensitivity the company has shown this year is incredible, imo, all the more because Microsoft used to be so different.

    Yes, the real 8.1 iso is readily available for anyone who wants to obtain it--it still requires a legitimate 8.0 key to activate on Microsoft's servers--and my opinion is that everyone with a legal 8.0 key should download it and burn the iso to a disk backup just for their own convenience and peace of mind. It's bizarre of Microsoft to want to inconvenience its retail 8.0 customers in this manner. If they for some reason need to reinstall 8.1, they should not have to first reinstall 8.0 from their Microsoft-supplied 8.0 iso and then go back to the Microsoft store and download the 8.1 auto-install update all over again. That's absurd.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 86
    Windows 8.1 Pro & OS X Mavericks


    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by joel406 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post

    What confuses me is the decision against releasing a retail ISO. The only way you can get 8.1 (without MSDN or TechNet subscriptions) is to first install 8, then upgrade. Microsoft has said 8.1 is free to everyone who already has Win8, so why the hard stance?

    Am I the only one who finds it beyond stupid that you can't get an 8.1 ISO, even if you can prove you have legally purchased Win8?
    I found the IOS's online just fine. A little google searching goes a long way. I been running 8.1 for like a month.

    Where have you been?
    He's right, though...evidently a developer leaked them to the 'net to counter Microsoft's imbecilic decision not to provide an iso for its retail 8.0 iso customers. You know, Microsoft hands it out gratis to its MSDN/Technet subscribers because the iso installation isn't worth a plugged nickel without a legitimate 8.0 key, but then turns around and denies the same convenience to its retail customers. Everything with Microsoft this entire year has been one step forward and two steps back. The lack of common sense and customer sensitivity the company has shown this year is incredible, imo, all the more because Microsoft used to be so different.

    Yes, the real 8.1 iso is readily available for anyone who wants to obtain it--it still requires a legitimate 8.0 key to activate on Microsoft's servers--and my opinion is that everyone with a legal 8.0 key should download it and burn the iso to a disk backup just for their own convenience and peace of mind. It's bizarre of Microsoft to want to inconvenience its retail 8.0 customers in this manner. If they for some reason need to reinstall 8.1, they should not have to first reinstall 8.0 from their Microsoft-supplied 8.0 iso and then go back to the Microsoft store and download the 8.1 auto-install update all over again. That's absurd.
    So what does the update actually download? Does it download the ISO and mount it or is it a special version of the Windows installer? Maybe the ISO is stored somewhere temporary in the operating system?

    Well who knows what happening over at Microsoft. They keep emphasizing this union between smartphones, tablets, and desktops so they all have this same interface. Does Microsoft think we're that stupid? Look at Apple. They have different interfaces on their desktop and phones/tablets. I don't hear anybody complaining about how to navigate through them.

    If Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot, good. They deserve that. Someone need to tell them how to run things. Desktops are desktops. Tablets are tablets. They want to compete in the tablet market? Then make sophisticated applications on the tablet that are better than iOS and Android. Not shoving the whole tablet interface on a desktop operating system. They're delusional.

    They keep crying about how they don't want to rewrite Windows. Well they have to bite the bullet. If tablets are the future, then the tablet should have an operating system built for that type of hardware. If possible port that same OS onto the phone. There, you have one OS built for touch from scratch.

    Leave the desktop and laptop hardware alone and force people to buy tablets so they can experience Windows on touch. If its a great sucess, people will start abandoning the desktop and shift to touch. Doesn't Microsoft want this to happen? Its a great strategy to increase their Marketshare and move into the future. If people are already hating Metro on the desktop, what makes you think they want to buy a Surface? Idk Microsoft leaves me speechless.
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  9. #19


    VA USA
    Posts : 349
    W8.1up1 Pro x64 w/media center


    Sounds about right to me Bluemaster

    btw: there is NO ISO downloaded during the "update" only the install files. I and many wish it was an ISO saved to HD, its what we been looking for.

    And funny now looking I don't even see the windows.old folder lol
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  10. #20


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    I suppose I will give it a try... primarily to see if it is in any way usable, without having to resort to a third party start menu. I'm not hopeful, but I will give it a try.(this despite having previously made up my mind not to...)
    Hopefully you are not going to spend any money on 8.1 because you will be disappointed. But it is a nice toy - worth about as much as the rubber ducky in my bathtub.
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