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Surface 2: Everything that's wrong with Microsoft's model

  1. #31


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    I find that people have forgotten the past. Back in 1987 I bought a Mac Plus. The plus came with a 9" screen. Now having said that a good deal of business and colleges along with some school system around the world did the same thing. (even Commander Scott used one to design transparent Aluminum). for almost a decade these along with the Mac II were used for just about anything and everything people needed them for, and with to many problems. Today's tablets are not all that different. Just add a Bluetooth keyboard and you have a fairly good computer (no not as good as a desktop powerhouse, or a well equipped laptop, albeit it will do the job if you have the correct apps installed. BTW, how many of you remember working on 10' CRT monitors with either white, yellow or green text.

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  2. #32


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    Maybe, but it is different now. The students I know are using 17 or 19 in screens. It could be that is much better for them than trying to do it on a 10 incher. If that is the case, it doesn't bode well for students buying the surface RT 2. They didn't buy the original surface RT thing, no particular reason for them to rush out en masse and buy the very slightly improved v2.
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  3. #33


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    You're forgetting, the Surface has a DisplayPort on it. You can plug it into a 17 or 19" screen for desktop use. Or, you can carry it around in your book bag, or purse, or man purse

    The point is, it's highly portable and is a tablet when you need it to be a tablet, is a netbook when you need it to be a laptop, and a desktop when you need it to be a desktop (in terms of form factor, not "desktop apps" obviously, other than Office).

    You can also plug in a USB hard disk and a USB keyboard if you want a full size keyboard and large storage. It plays movies, it plays music, it surfs the web, it runs office, and it runs all the metro apps.. some of which are quite useful like Skype, Evernote, OneNote, a version of Photoshop (Photoshop Express) for image manipulation... etc..

    Also, you can't use a 19" monitor to in your lecture hall. You could use a notebook, but they're heavier, and just as expensive, and not capable of being a tablet.

    By the way, I wouldn't call it "slightly" improved. 60% faster CPU, 25% more battery life, significantly better screen, etc... I got far less than 60% faster cpu when upgrading from my Core i7 920 to an i7 3770k, and spent a lot more money.
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  4. #34


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    I am not forgetting it.

    Not sure if the students want to buy a surface rt and another monitor and possibly keyboard. They didn't go for the first iteration.

    The point is, it's highly portable and is a tablet when you need it to be a tablet, is a netbook when you need it to be a laptop, and a desktop when you need it to be a desktop (in terms of form factor, not "desktop apps" obviously, other than Office).
    That was the case with the first one - which they didn't buy.

    Not clear to me why they would go for essentially the same thing now.
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  5. #35


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    Surface 1 only had low-res HDMI, and a 1366x768 native display. The Surface 2 has a 1920x1080 display with DisplayPort.

    I'm not sure why you think a student would be more than happy to buy a Desktop (same price as a Surface) and a monitor, but would not want to buy a Surface and a monitor. If having a larger screen is so important, as you claim it is.. why would they not spend the exact same money and have the added bonus of being able to take their "desktop" with them wherever they go as a tablet?

    The Surface 1's problems were primarily related to marketing and there were many of those problems. First, Microsoft only sold it through their brick and mortar stores for the first 6 months. Second, Microsoft did not do a good enough job of differentiating Windows 8 from RT, thus people did not know what to expect from it. Third, like many things related to 8, it got lots of bad mouthing from the so called "experts".

    I gave my father a Surface RT when they went on sale. It works fine for him, since all he does is use the web, email, and play solitaire in his lazyboy while watching TV. Honestly, there are a ton of people that don't need legacy desktop app support, because they just don't use it. Yet they've been convinced they need it.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I gave my father a Surface RT when they went on sale. It works fine for him, since all he does is use the web, email, and play solitaire in his lazyboy while watching TV. Honestly, there are a ton of people that don't need legacy desktop app support, because they just don't use it. Yet they've been convinced they need it.

    Yep. Those people are buying iPads.
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  7. #37


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    And android things. What is about the surface rt that might make a serious dent into those sales. ? Nothing as afar as I can see.

    It doesn't look promising for MS.
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  8. #38


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    I'm not sure why you think a student would be more than happy to buy a Desktop (same price as a Surface)
    I never mentioned desktops
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I gave my father a Surface RT when they went on sale. It works fine for him, since all he does is use the web, email, and play solitaire in his lazyboy while watching TV. Honestly, there are a ton of people that don't need legacy desktop app support, because they just don't use it. Yet they've been convinced they need it.

    Yep. Those people are buying iPads.
    Yes. Because they don't know any better.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    And android things. What is about the surface rt that might make a serious dent into those sales. ? Nothing as afar as I can see.

    It doesn't look promising for MS.
    Actually, it looks immensely promising and exciting!

    Bay Trail tabs running full 8.1 are about to be had for less than $400. They're also going to be infinitely more useful than those silly toys. When the store is finally unified, you'll see why they stuck out with Surface as a PREMIUM mobile solution.
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  10. #40


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    W8.1, W7


    Yep. Those people are buying iPads.

    Yes. Because they don't know any better.
    These guys among the 'don't know any better' ? American Airlines Completes Electronic Flight Bag Implementation :: American Airlines Newsroom
    Am no apple fan, just an example of these things being far more than toys, and a serious competition to MS.
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